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Maybe not yet, but it surely gives them the capability to spy later on. My country, Vietnam, also banned Huawei equipment[1], and I don't believe it's pure par

Maybe not yet, but it surely gives them the capability to spy later on. My country, Vietnam, also banned Huawei equipment[1], and I don't believe it's pure paranoia. China has been taking every chances to spy on us, from illegally buy houses near Da Nang airport[2] (nearest airbase to Paracels) to 'tourists' walking near the Ministry of Defence to Advanced Persistent Threat targeting petroleum or maritime corporation (forgot the link right now). We just don't trust China, and there're numerous reasons for that. This may sound racist but the stereotype of Chinese in Vietnam is extremely cunning, for better or worse, they will do everything to get to their goals as long as they don't get found out. China has 5000 years of history, they always play the long game. Some quotations from "The Art of War" 2500 years ago: "Be subtle! be subtle! and use your spies for every kind of business" " The enemy's spies who have come to spy on us must be sought out, tempted with bribes, led away and comfortably housed. Thus they will become converted spies and available for our service. " [1] https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/09/vietnam-doesnt-trust-huawei-an-inch/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/09/vietnam-doesnt-trust-hu... [2] https://tuoitrenews.vn/society/32340/da-nang-suspects-more-land-illegally-bought-by-chinese https://tuoitrenews.vn/society/32340/da-nang-suspects-more-l...

mnky9800n 7y ago
What do you think America is doing?
- coconut_crab 7y ago
  America? I think Trump is a fool but some of his measures make sense. Regarding China, I feel that America misunderstood that China will play by the international rule (setup by western countries). No, they have their own rule and whatever 'International law' out there are written by upsurping countries and meaningless to them.
dna_polymerase 7y ago
The alternative is relying on US tech. While I get the point that Huawei could be spying on us later on, the US is the one nation we know is spying on us. All tech we use these days can be used for spying. The whole Huawei craze is just the U.S. realizing that they are no longer the only power to fear.
- crystaln 7y ago
  The US spying is subject to a strained but ultimately effective legal and constitutional system. There is no comparison between the US government's transgressions, and the Chinese government's complete unrestricted impunity to spy and infiltrate.
  - rustusername 7y ago
    Constitution doesn't protect me if I'm not a citizen. For example US can tapped the phone of Angela Merkel.
  - dna_polymerase 7y ago
    The spying is done by intelligence services. Services that have huge reputational problems, largely because they have nothing to fear and all the power. Whatever is going on inside those organizations is completely hidden from the government itself. What Snowden made available has shocked everyone, including those who should oversee the intelligence services.
    - crystaln 7y ago
      It is still subject to legal constraints, and when exposed there is at least the possibility of consequences and changes. In China it is entirely legal, tolerated, and expected. In China the intrusions can entirely unsubtle and deep, whereas in the US there is at least some balance with legal restraints. These are very different situations. Neither of them are ideal, however equating them is really not accurate.
- yesbabyyes 7y ago
  The alternative is relying on US tech. Huawei's biggest competitors are Ericsson (Swedish) and Nokia (Finnish).
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mnky9800n 7y ago

What do you think America is doing?

coconut_crab 7y ago
America? I think Trump is a fool but some of his measures make sense. Regarding China, I feel that America misunderstood that China will play by the international rule (setup by western countries). No, they have their own rule and whatever 'International law' out there are written by upsurping countries and meaningless to them.

dna_polymerase 7y ago

The alternative is relying on US tech. While I get the point that Huawei could be spying on us later on, the US is the one nation we know is spying on us. All tech we use these days can be used for spying. The whole Huawei craze is just the U.S. realizing that they are no longer the only power to fear.

crystaln 7y ago
The US spying is subject to a strained but ultimately effective legal and constitutional system. There is no comparison between the US government's transgressions, and the Chinese government's complete unrestricted impunity to spy and infiltrate.
- rustusername 7y ago
  Constitution doesn't protect me if I'm not a citizen. For example US can tapped the phone of Angela Merkel.
- dna_polymerase 7y ago
  The spying is done by intelligence services. Services that have huge reputational problems, largely because they have nothing to fear and all the power. Whatever is going on inside those organizations is completely hidden from the government itself. What Snowden made available has shocked everyone, including those who should oversee the intelligence services.
  - crystaln 7y ago
    It is still subject to legal constraints, and when exposed there is at least the possibility of consequences and changes. In China it is entirely legal, tolerated, and expected. In China the intrusions can entirely unsubtle and deep, whereas in the US there is at least some balance with legal restraints. These are very different situations. Neither of them are ideal, however equating them is really not accurate.
yesbabyyes 7y ago
The alternative is relying on US tech. Huawei's biggest competitors are Ericsson (Swedish) and Nokia (Finnish).

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