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So what you’re saying is that if the journalist wouldn’t ask questions and let things go (like you do), everything would be fine.

hombre_fatal 7y ago
Yes, the tourists don't do that and they are fine. If you want to visit Mexico and don't plan on trying to unearth and publish cartel activity, you'll likely have a great time as well. Snark isn't very effective rhetoric.
- Insanity 7y ago
  I visit Mexico yearly (Married to a Mexican, from Monterrey) for a couple of weeks to a month. I never felt unsafe and greatly enjoy being there. When my in-laws visit us (Europe) they were more worried about a terrorist attack than I am about cartels. Mexico has a lot of violence in those cartel communities. But it mostly stays within those communities.
  - serial_dev 7y ago
    This demonstrates how much media controls our fears. Terrorist attacks in Europe happen rarely when they do happen they are in the news for weeks. While Mexico is being one of the most dangerous countries, people get kidnapped, killed, buried on a daily basis and they barely report the number of people killed properly in local newspapers, it doesn't even make it to national news.
    - Insanity 7y ago
      Yup Indeed. Both sides (EU) and Mexico are pretty safe for the average person though.
- NotSammyHagar 7y ago
  So what do you suggest people do who hate violence, murdering, everything about the cartels? The world is complicated, maybe it could be that by doing certain tourist activities or traveling to certain places that I'm supporting them.
magpi3 7y ago
> let things go From everything I have read, challenging the cartels in Mexico is suicide for individuals, and often even for governments (at least it is for politicians). I would "let things go" if I lived there too.
Tsubasachan 7y ago
The Netherlands is currently at risk of turning into the Mexico of Europe but nobody is willing to let it go because nobody wants the country to end up like Mexico. Its really insidious. Everyone has a price and drugs brings in billions of €. Honestly if someone offered me 50 thousand to look the other way I would be tempted.
- imjasonmiller 7y ago
  > The Netherlands is currently at risk of turning into the Mexico of Europe Perhaps I misunderstood, but what are you basing this on? The Netherlands has one of the lowest rates of intentional homicide in the world (0.5/100.000)[0] and ranks fourth in World Press Freedom Index by Reporters without Borders[1]. With having Europe‘s largest port (Rotterdam), The Netherlands does serve as a gateway for South American drugs, cocaine in particular. The vast amount of global MDMA is also manufactured here[2], but the fallout in the form of violence is nowhere near that of Mexico? 0. https://dataunodc.un.org/crime/intentional-homicide-victims https://dataunodc.un.org/crime/intentional-homicide-victims 1. https://rsf.org/en/ranking https://rsf.org/en/ranking 2. http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/system/files/publications/2473/TD0116348ENN.pdf http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/system/files/publications/2473/T... (p. 5)
coldtea 7y ago
Yes. So unless your great plan is to bring down the cartels and become a hero/martyr in the process, it's solid advice, and empirically true. And it's easy to snark about it ("oh, what cowardish" etc) when you don't live there.

hombre_fatal 7y ago

Yes, the tourists don't do that and they are fine. If you want to visit Mexico and don't plan on trying to unearth and publish cartel activity, you'll likely have a great time as well. Snark isn't very effective rhetoric.

Insanity 7y ago
I visit Mexico yearly (Married to a Mexican, from Monterrey) for a couple of weeks to a month. I never felt unsafe and greatly enjoy being there. When my in-laws visit us (Europe) they were more worried about a terrorist attack than I am about cartels. Mexico has a lot of violence in those cartel communities. But it mostly stays within those communities.
- serial_dev 7y ago
  This demonstrates how much media controls our fears. Terrorist attacks in Europe happen rarely when they do happen they are in the news for weeks. While Mexico is being one of the most dangerous countries, people get kidnapped, killed, buried on a daily basis and they barely report the number of people killed properly in local newspapers, it doesn't even make it to national news.
  - Insanity 7y ago
    Yup Indeed. Both sides (EU) and Mexico are pretty safe for the average person though.
NotSammyHagar 7y ago
So what do you suggest people do who hate violence, murdering, everything about the cartels? The world is complicated, maybe it could be that by doing certain tourist activities or traveling to certain places that I'm supporting them.

magpi3 7y ago

> let things go From everything I have read, challenging the cartels in Mexico is suicide for individuals, and often even for governments (at least it is for politicians). I would "let things go" if I lived there too.

Tsubasachan 7y ago

The Netherlands is currently at risk of turning into the Mexico of Europe but nobody is willing to let it go because nobody wants the country to end up like Mexico. Its really insidious. Everyone has a price and drugs brings in billions of €. Honestly if someone offered me 50 thousand to look the other way I would be tempted.

imjasonmiller 7y ago
> The Netherlands is currently at risk of turning into the Mexico of Europe Perhaps I misunderstood, but what are you basing this on? The Netherlands has one of the lowest rates of intentional homicide in the world (0.5/100.000)[0] and ranks fourth in World Press Freedom Index by Reporters without Borders[1]. With having Europe‘s largest port (Rotterdam), The Netherlands does serve as a gateway for South American drugs, cocaine in particular. The vast amount of global MDMA is also manufactured here[2], but the fallout in the form of violence is nowhere near that of Mexico? 0. https://dataunodc.un.org/crime/intentional-homicide-victims https://dataunodc.un.org/crime/intentional-homicide-victims 1. https://rsf.org/en/ranking https://rsf.org/en/ranking 2. http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/system/files/publications/2473/TD0116348ENN.pdf http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/system/files/publications/2473/T... (p. 5)

coldtea 7y ago

Yes. So unless your great plan is to bring down the cartels and become a hero/martyr in the process, it's solid advice, and empirically true. And it's easy to snark about it ("oh, what cowardish" etc) when you don't live there.