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I find these discussions impossible because on capitalism, like so many issues, there's really no agreement on what's even under discussion. Depending on who yo

by gipp 7y ago

I find these discussions impossible because on capitalism, like so many issues, there's really no agreement on what's even under discussion. Depending on who you're talking to, "capitalism" can mean anything from the capture of political power by economic power, to just the basic existence of markets, trade, and private property. Every such discussion inevitably becomes two people talking past each other about completely different things. Same spectrum exists for "socialism".

millzlane 7y ago
I think it's by design. By describing them with a catch all name like that. It's becomes really easy to vilify it. It becomes hard to have a debate or discussion on certain topics as well.
jimbob45 7y ago
Rubio's not up for re-election until 2022, so he can push these left-leaning ideas to try and pull fringe leftists into the party. Later on near election season, he'll take the hard party line every time. On that note, I'm not sure this belongs on HN. I don't want this site to devolve into political editorial discussion every day. There are other sites for that.
- mfatica 7y ago
  Hopefully you flagged the post and others will as well. I always flag posts like these because I also hope this site does not devolve into political editorial discussions every day.
  - Maarten88 7y ago
    I read this article just before it got flagged away, and I'm glad to have read this. I liked this article because it brought me a new insight, or rather it put into words a feeling I have about the economy: that companies have turned traditional capitalism around by effectively providing loans to consumers, and returning capital to shareholders. A very intriguing insight. As a European I'm not into US politics, it's too bad it has become so divisive that a discussion is no longer possible, even if it contains relevant insights that may lead to opportunities for startups.
    - howard941 7y ago
      If you're so inclined it can be unflagged by vouching for it
    - mfatica 7y ago
      The article was informative, and I don't believe " it has become so divisive that a discussion is no longer possible" but simply that hacker news is not the place for these types of articles.
guelo 7y ago
The article contains a lot of details about Rubio's complaints about capitalism. You're the one that's refusing to engage the argument and instead making grand vague generalizations.

by gipp 7y ago

millzlane 7y ago

I think it's by design. By describing them with a catch all name like that. It's becomes really easy to vilify it. It becomes hard to have a debate or discussion on certain topics as well.

jimbob45 7y ago

Rubio's not up for re-election until 2022, so he can push these left-leaning ideas to try and pull fringe leftists into the party. Later on near election season, he'll take the hard party line every time. On that note, I'm not sure this belongs on HN. I don't want this site to devolve into political editorial discussion every day. There are other sites for that.

mfatica 7y ago
Hopefully you flagged the post and others will as well. I always flag posts like these because I also hope this site does not devolve into political editorial discussions every day.
- Maarten88 7y ago
  I read this article just before it got flagged away, and I'm glad to have read this. I liked this article because it brought me a new insight, or rather it put into words a feeling I have about the economy: that companies have turned traditional capitalism around by effectively providing loans to consumers, and returning capital to shareholders. A very intriguing insight. As a European I'm not into US politics, it's too bad it has become so divisive that a discussion is no longer possible, even if it contains relevant insights that may lead to opportunities for startups.
  - howard941 7y ago
    If you're so inclined it can be unflagged by vouching for it
  - mfatica 7y ago
    The article was informative, and I don't believe " it has become so divisive that a discussion is no longer possible" but simply that hacker news is not the place for these types of articles.

guelo 7y ago

The article contains a lot of details about Rubio's complaints about capitalism. You're the one that's refusing to engage the argument and instead making grand vague generalizations.