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Uh the browser runs code that comes from the website. The website decides what the browser sends more than the user does.

by clarry 7y ago

Mirioron 7y ago
Then make the browser block attempts of sending out that kind of data? That's all what the browser can do. Javascript can't force a browser to do something the browser doesn't want to.
- clarry 7y ago
  I agree that we should break the web. Few others agree.
lone_haxx0r 7y ago
The website doesn't decide, the browser does. The website merely suggests what could be sent by the browser.
- clarry 7y ago
  That's a pointless technicality and irrelevant to the discussion. Largely as irrelevant as claiming that it's not my software that's spying on you, it's your CPU and my software is just suggesting your CPU what to do. For the past two decades browsers have been extended year after year to better run arbitrary applications delivered via the website. New tracking techniques crop up all the time and anti-tracking won't keep up, and often can't do much without breaking compatibility with the existing sites, not something browser vendors are willing to do, except when it serves Google's ends.
  - lone_haxx0r 7y ago
    > That's a pointless technicality and irrelevant to the discussion. Largely as irrelevant as claiming that it's not my software that's spying on you, it's your CPU and my software is just suggesting your CPU what to do. It would be irrelevant if we weren't talking about laws, but we are (GDPR). If I tell someone to kill themselves, should I be punished as if I had actually killed that person with my own hands? Obviously no. In fact, I shouldn't be punished at all for saying that. Some people might disagree, but those people either applying their moral values inconsistently or they want to live in a totalitarian regime. Technicalities are life or death when talking about law.
    - clarry 7y ago
      > Technicalities are life or death when talking about law. Yeah right. It's not that I killed you, but you reacted to a bullet in such a way. It's not that I stole passwords and files from your server, it was your server that happily gave me all that data after I sent it some bytes. The spirit of the law takes precedence over technicalities.

Uh the browser runs code that comes from the website. The website decides what the browser sends more than the user does.

by clarry 7y ago

Uh the browser runs code that comes from the website. The website decides what the browser sends more than the user does.

Mirioron 7y ago

Then make the browser block attempts of sending out that kind of data? That's all what the browser can do. Javascript can't force a browser to do something the browser doesn't want to.

clarry 7y ago
I agree that we should break the web. Few others agree.

lone_haxx0r 7y ago

The website doesn't decide, the browser does. The website merely suggests what could be sent by the browser.

clarry 7y ago
That's a pointless technicality and irrelevant to the discussion. Largely as irrelevant as claiming that it's not my software that's spying on you, it's your CPU and my software is just suggesting your CPU what to do. For the past two decades browsers have been extended year after year to better run arbitrary applications delivered via the website. New tracking techniques crop up all the time and anti-tracking won't keep up, and often can't do much without breaking compatibility with the existing sites, not something browser vendors are willing to do, except when it serves Google's ends.
- lone_haxx0r 7y ago
  > That's a pointless technicality and irrelevant to the discussion. Largely as irrelevant as claiming that it's not my software that's spying on you, it's your CPU and my software is just suggesting your CPU what to do. It would be irrelevant if we weren't talking about laws, but we are (GDPR). If I tell someone to kill themselves, should I be punished as if I had actually killed that person with my own hands? Obviously no. In fact, I shouldn't be punished at all for saying that. Some people might disagree, but those people either applying their moral values inconsistently or they want to live in a totalitarian regime. Technicalities are life or death when talking about law.
  - clarry 7y ago
    > Technicalities are life or death when talking about law. Yeah right. It's not that I killed you, but you reacted to a bullet in such a way. It's not that I stole passwords and files from your server, it was your server that happily gave me all that data after I sent it some bytes. The spirit of the law takes precedence over technicalities.