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Illegal aliens are a net loss of around $113b cost to the taxpayers. More than they bring in and it's just a little more than I want to spend. If California com

Illegal aliens are a net loss of around $113b cost to the taxpayers. More than they bring in and it's just a little more than I want to spend. If California complains about having $1b funding pulled for their rail project imagine having 113b pulled. At least be honest that you don't know what you're talking about. https://www.fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers https://www.fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-b...

deogeo 7y ago
I don't think it's fair to distill everything down to good if it grows the economy, bad if it doesn't. For example, we keep hearing how oppressed minorities are, but in the last ~35 years, a single generation, California went from 66% to 37% white - is a 2% higher annual GDP growth worth becoming a minority for?
- sieabahlpark 7y ago
  I live in California, we are not doing as great as everyone thinks we are. We have homeless, shit in the streets, stupid high rent, extra traffic, high taxes, etc. As great as it is to live here I think the state is actually going downhill over time. I also don't care what it does, if an illegal alien takes from the tax payer that money could be spent on, oh I don't know, healthcare, homeless, VA, or any other humanitarian purpose. I can walk outside and see a couple tents, I drive to work I see dozens, I drive further and I see tent cities. Let's take care of our own citizens first for once? Why not improve their home countries instead of everyone coming here?
  - NotSammyHagar 7y ago
    I live in Seattle and there are similar problems. The homeless are all us citizens. They don't have problems caused by immigration. I talk to these sad souls frequently. Every day unfortunately I walk past them on the way to work. I say unfortunate because I want them to have a place to live and not be on the street. They have nothing to do with illegal immigrants. These homeless people aren't going to be working in a restaurant or other kinds of jobs immigrants often do. In seattle the minimum wage is $15 an hour, that is not enough to attract the homeless here.
    - sieabahlpark 7y ago
      You're dense, I said rather than spending $113b on the illegal aliens how about we spend even if it's a fraction of "one hundred thirteen billion" on the homeless problem. If they're all US citizens then you should feel empathetic to help them more.
NotSammyHagar 7y ago
That is a drastically higher estimate than the cost of illegal immigration I have seen other places. Indeed I have seen in other reports that illegal immigration is a net economic positive. This cato report says that report is fatally flawed [1]. Among other things the outlandish figure of 113b is easily corrected to 3-15b. And this article strongly suggests its a net positive in reality. See also [2], [3]. So you need an estimate that passes the laugh test. 1. https://www.cato.org/blog/fairs-fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-study-fatally-flawed https://www.cato.org/blog/fairs-fiscal-burden-illegal-immigr... 2. https://www.apnews.com/1e597a4896884da08bef0a8f8134c6be https://www.apnews.com/1e597a4896884da08bef0a8f8134c6be 3. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-federation-for-american-immigration-reform-fair/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-federation-for-american-i...

deogeo 7y ago

I don't think it's fair to distill everything down to good if it grows the economy, bad if it doesn't. For example, we keep hearing how oppressed minorities are, but in the last ~35 years, a single generation, California went from 66% to 37% white - is a 2% higher annual GDP growth worth becoming a minority for?

sieabahlpark 7y ago
I live in California, we are not doing as great as everyone thinks we are. We have homeless, shit in the streets, stupid high rent, extra traffic, high taxes, etc. As great as it is to live here I think the state is actually going downhill over time. I also don't care what it does, if an illegal alien takes from the tax payer that money could be spent on, oh I don't know, healthcare, homeless, VA, or any other humanitarian purpose. I can walk outside and see a couple tents, I drive to work I see dozens, I drive further and I see tent cities. Let's take care of our own citizens first for once? Why not improve their home countries instead of everyone coming here?
- NotSammyHagar 7y ago
  I live in Seattle and there are similar problems. The homeless are all us citizens. They don't have problems caused by immigration. I talk to these sad souls frequently. Every day unfortunately I walk past them on the way to work. I say unfortunate because I want them to have a place to live and not be on the street. They have nothing to do with illegal immigrants. These homeless people aren't going to be working in a restaurant or other kinds of jobs immigrants often do. In seattle the minimum wage is $15 an hour, that is not enough to attract the homeless here.
  - sieabahlpark 7y ago
    You're dense, I said rather than spending $113b on the illegal aliens how about we spend even if it's a fraction of "one hundred thirteen billion" on the homeless problem. If they're all US citizens then you should feel empathetic to help them more.

NotSammyHagar 7y ago

That is a drastically higher estimate than the cost of illegal immigration I have seen other places. Indeed I have seen in other reports that illegal immigration is a net economic positive. This cato report says that report is fatally flawed [1]. Among other things the outlandish figure of 113b is easily corrected to 3-15b. And this article strongly suggests its a net positive in reality. See also [2], [3]. So you need an estimate that passes the laugh test. 1. https://www.cato.org/blog/fairs-fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-study-fatally-flawed https://www.cato.org/blog/fairs-fiscal-burden-illegal-immigr... 2. https://www.apnews.com/1e597a4896884da08bef0a8f8134c6be https://www.apnews.com/1e597a4896884da08bef0a8f8134c6be 3. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-federation-for-american-immigration-reform-fair/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-federation-for-american-i...