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He's likely being downvoted because he's discussing that he's happy with an open protocol being deprecated in favor of a centralized service that is the opposit

by ve55 7y ago

He's likely being downvoted because he's discussing that he's happy with an open protocol being deprecated in favor of a centralized service that is the opposite, logging all of your private messages, forcing you to use their own client, etc. Granted, they increased usability significantly by doing this, but it comes at a large cost for people that value freedom and privacy.

diminoten 7y ago
"people that value freedom and privacy" Come on man, it's so hard to have conversations when people say shit like this...
- ve55 7y ago
  I really didn't mean it in an insulting way, I just wanted to shorten saying things like "Be forced to use a specific proprietary client+protocol and have all of your private messages stored by a for-profit company indefinitely". I could have used better phrasing because freedom and privacy mean different things to different users though, yes.
WilliamEdward 7y ago
People have a right not to care about their own privacy. You've just described the entire target market for discord. Why HN thinks this is a moral failing and downvotes accordingly is, in my opinion, their own ignorance, not anyone else's.
- astrobe_ 7y ago
  > People have a right not to care about their own privacy Would you say that about freedom of speech, thought or movement? I'm asking because all of them are human rights. Do you think you have the moral right to give up on human rights? https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/index.html https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ind... Preamble: "Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction."

by ve55 7y ago

diminoten 7y ago

"people that value freedom and privacy" Come on man, it's so hard to have conversations when people say shit like this...

ve55 7y ago
I really didn't mean it in an insulting way, I just wanted to shorten saying things like "Be forced to use a specific proprietary client+protocol and have all of your private messages stored by a for-profit company indefinitely". I could have used better phrasing because freedom and privacy mean different things to different users though, yes.

WilliamEdward 7y ago

People have a right not to care about their own privacy. You've just described the entire target market for discord. Why HN thinks this is a moral failing and downvotes accordingly is, in my opinion, their own ignorance, not anyone else's.

astrobe_ 7y ago
> People have a right not to care about their own privacy Would you say that about freedom of speech, thought or movement? I'm asking because all of them are human rights. Do you think you have the moral right to give up on human rights? https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/index.html https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ind... Preamble: "Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction."