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The US needs to go in and clean up this mess and should feel very obligated to move quickly on this, but is hasn’t. See also this article from 2015 [1] and folk

by erentz 7y ago

The US needs to go in and clean up this mess and should feel very obligated to move quickly on this, but is hasn’t. See also this article from 2015 [1] and folks may enjoy this video for the visuals of it [2]. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/03/runit-dome-pacific-radioactive-waste https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/03/runit-dome-pac... [2] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=autMHvj3exA https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=autMHvj3exA

_bxg1 7y ago
"The US needs to go _____ and should feel very obligated to move quickly on this, but it hasn't." Same old story. I think most of the world has given up expecting the U.S. to be any kind of responsible world citizen.
mc32 7y ago
There also the ~900 Tbq disposed by the then USSR in the Baltic, not to mention the vast quantities that ended up in the Arctic Ocean. But definitely the US should improve that encasement or otherwise minimize the dangers.
sailfast 7y ago
That would be a nice thing to do, but per the article in 1983 the Marshall Islands traded US liability for nuclear issues as part of their move to self-government. That is not to say that some Federal-level support is not warranted like other Superfund sites, but that it may not be the total and complete responsibility of the US Federal government to resolve the issue, as agreed to legally by both parties.
- erentz 7y ago
  Shivetya up thread posted a PDF report that's quite an interesting read, so it's not being totally ignored by the US gov. I agree they signed an agreement, still I'd expect us to do the clean up, agreement aside, we made the mess, have what's needed to fix it. The Marshall Islander's are a poor nation that could not afford to fix this without assistance. It's the neighborly thing to do.
- omegaworks 7y ago
  >the Marshall Islands traded US liability for nuclear issues as part of their move to self-government. This is classic over-the-barrel negotiating tactics used by colonizing nations over their former colonies. The Marshall Islanders had few options here. Continue to have their sovereignty dictated from and literal lands and lives ruined by a foreign nation, or take liability for the colonizer's experimentation and some control of their future back. Just because a choice was made, doesn't make the process just or right. It may release the United States from a legal obligation, but it doesn't excuse any ethical or moral obligations of the state to the people of the islands.
  - sailfast 7y ago
    I completely agree with you. It is unfortunate, however, that states do not often act out of ethical or moral obligations unless it serves some other, broader interest. It's my fervent hope the United States chooses to act on its ethical and moral obligations, but overall a regression to the mean of state behavior can also be expected from time to time. My more cynical self sees many more pressing and dangerous environment disasters domestically that are readily apparent and not being dealt with properly - in places where people actually vote for US politicians. This indicates to me that a fix in a United States associated state will unfortunately likely not merit the expenditure for awhile unless some legal case could be brought.
Hydraulix989 7y ago
They should also clean it up in my hometown's backyard: https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/03/23/what-lies-beneath-numec-apollo-zalman-shapiro/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/03/23/what-lies-beneath-numec...

by erentz 7y ago

_bxg1 7y ago

"The US needs to go _____ and should feel very obligated to move quickly on this, but it hasn't." Same old story. I think most of the world has given up expecting the U.S. to be any kind of responsible world citizen.

mc32 7y ago

There also the ~900 Tbq disposed by the then USSR in the Baltic, not to mention the vast quantities that ended up in the Arctic Ocean. But definitely the US should improve that encasement or otherwise minimize the dangers.

sailfast 7y ago

That would be a nice thing to do, but per the article in 1983 the Marshall Islands traded US liability for nuclear issues as part of their move to self-government. That is not to say that some Federal-level support is not warranted like other Superfund sites, but that it may not be the total and complete responsibility of the US Federal government to resolve the issue, as agreed to legally by both parties.

erentz 7y ago
Shivetya up thread posted a PDF report that's quite an interesting read, so it's not being totally ignored by the US gov. I agree they signed an agreement, still I'd expect us to do the clean up, agreement aside, we made the mess, have what's needed to fix it. The Marshall Islander's are a poor nation that could not afford to fix this without assistance. It's the neighborly thing to do.
omegaworks 7y ago
>the Marshall Islands traded US liability for nuclear issues as part of their move to self-government. This is classic over-the-barrel negotiating tactics used by colonizing nations over their former colonies. The Marshall Islanders had few options here. Continue to have their sovereignty dictated from and literal lands and lives ruined by a foreign nation, or take liability for the colonizer's experimentation and some control of their future back. Just because a choice was made, doesn't make the process just or right. It may release the United States from a legal obligation, but it doesn't excuse any ethical or moral obligations of the state to the people of the islands.
- sailfast 7y ago
  I completely agree with you. It is unfortunate, however, that states do not often act out of ethical or moral obligations unless it serves some other, broader interest. It's my fervent hope the United States chooses to act on its ethical and moral obligations, but overall a regression to the mean of state behavior can also be expected from time to time. My more cynical self sees many more pressing and dangerous environment disasters domestically that are readily apparent and not being dealt with properly - in places where people actually vote for US politicians. This indicates to me that a fix in a United States associated state will unfortunately likely not merit the expenditure for awhile unless some legal case could be brought.

Hydraulix989 7y ago

They should also clean it up in my hometown's backyard: https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/03/23/what-lies-beneath-numec-apollo-zalman-shapiro/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/03/23/what-lies-beneath-numec...