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> This lawyer is grasping at straws. The lawyer is doing his job, and is mainly referring to the unprecedented case of Ecuador just handing over personal posse

by dpwm 7y ago

> This lawyer is grasping at straws. The lawyer is doing his job, and is mainly referring to the unprecedented case of Ecuador just handing over personal possessions to the US -- a country that is trying to extradite him on the most tenuous of claims. > There's no way that having security cameras in your own embassy is an "illicit operation" If they're focused on and used for recording an individual granted asylum, how can that possibly be compatible with even the vaguest principles of privacy?

delinka 7y ago
>If they're focused on and used for recording an individual granted asylum... Was that the purpose? Were there no security cameras before? If this was a new installation, was he aware of it? Did the placement of the new cameras take privacy into consideration (e.g. avoiding sleeping quarters, toilets, etc.)?
- ggg2 7y ago
  great questions. how do you expect to have answers if even the reason for the main event, the hand over of Assange, is surrounded with disinformation ranging even from literal shit on the walls? we will never know what exactly happened on this one. that is for sure.
- dpwm 7y ago
  A lot of people seem to have a very narrow idea of privacy. For what it's worth there were also allegations of microphones being used to record private conversations. The release of footage from the embassy to the international media seemed a particularly bizarre way to announce to the international community that your government has pure contempt for human rights.
  - mikeash 7y ago
    Next time they should just refuse to take in the international fugitive and let him be arrested on the spot. Then nobody will say they have pure contempt for human rights.
    - dpwm 7y ago
      That government was not this government. This government does appear to have pure contempt for due process and human rights. Just like the US.
      - cyphar 7y ago
        Obama suspended habeas corpus[1], extending the Bush-era abductions that were found to be unconstitutional. There hasn't been a US government that respects due process and human rights in a long time. [1]: https://www.salon.com/2010/05/21/bagram_6/ https://www.salon.com/2010/05/21/bagram_6/
        dpwm 7y ago
        I absolutely agree. My wording was ambiguous. The "just like the US" didn't apply to the change of government, but over a much longer timescale. This is absolutely something that has been almost consistent amongst US leaders going back as far as I can remember. Human rights and due process seem to be a stick with which to (selectively) beat other nations. They don't apply to the US or its cronies.
bsamuels 7y ago
tenuous claims? really? The only thing he's being extradited for is trying to hack into US gov computer systems, something which he literally admitted to in a chat message with Manning. https://www.wired.com/story/julian-assange-arrest-indictment-hacking-cfaa/ https://www.wired.com/story/julian-assange-arrest-indictment... This whole wikileaks debacle has really shaken my faith in comment quality on HN. Gone are the well informed insightful comments that give you a unique insight into the topic matter, and in with knee jerk comments that appeal to HN's overall political direction. I don't want to dive into the comments section to have my opinion reinforced by the chorus, I want to be challenged and maybe have my opinion changed in an intellectual way; and it just doesn't feel like this site is good for that anymore.
- belorn 7y ago
  Not the first time the US has tried to enforce computer laws in regard to password hashes. The infamous case of AACS encryption key controversy and 09 F9 showed a lot of people willing to help with hacking into computer system, and the reaction from the legal system.
- JudgeWapner 7y ago
  > I want to be challenged and maybe have my opinion changed in an intellectual way be the change you want to see in the world! begin by not selectively ignoring the false allegations that brought him disrepute. Then you can gain some "insight" from the concept that the US could level much more serious charges against him after he lands on US soil from the relatively minor "hacking" charge. From there you can challenge yourself to respect the temerity required to expose war crimes committed by the most powerful nation in the world. You can do it; my faith in you isn't as easily shaken!
- dpwm 7y ago
  > The only thing he's being extradited for is trying to hack into US gov computer systems, something which he literally admitted to in a chat message with Manning. https://www.wired.com/story/julian-assange-arrest-indictment.. https://www.wired.com/story/julian-assange-arrest-indictment.... It sounds like an open and shut case then. So why does the US want his possessions? The US should have no interest in his possessions if they are genuinely not on a fishing expedition. Why is Chelsea Manning's testimony required? Why is she back in prison? It seems an open and shut case. Maybe the media are telling you it's not a fishing expedition, but it sure looks like one.
pjc50 7y ago
Individuals being allowed to claim asylum in an embassy building, which is normally a workplace with the lowered expectation of privacy thereto, is really exceptional. In fact, how many other examples even are there?
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by dpwm 7y ago

delinka 7y ago

>If they're focused on and used for recording an individual granted asylum... Was that the purpose? Were there no security cameras before? If this was a new installation, was he aware of it? Did the placement of the new cameras take privacy into consideration (e.g. avoiding sleeping quarters, toilets, etc.)?

ggg2 7y ago
great questions. how do you expect to have answers if even the reason for the main event, the hand over of Assange, is surrounded with disinformation ranging even from literal shit on the walls? we will never know what exactly happened on this one. that is for sure.
dpwm 7y ago
A lot of people seem to have a very narrow idea of privacy. For what it's worth there were also allegations of microphones being used to record private conversations. The release of footage from the embassy to the international media seemed a particularly bizarre way to announce to the international community that your government has pure contempt for human rights.
- mikeash 7y ago
  Next time they should just refuse to take in the international fugitive and let him be arrested on the spot. Then nobody will say they have pure contempt for human rights.
  - dpwm 7y ago
    That government was not this government. This government does appear to have pure contempt for due process and human rights. Just like the US.
    - cyphar 7y ago
      Obama suspended habeas corpus[1], extending the Bush-era abductions that were found to be unconstitutional. There hasn't been a US government that respects due process and human rights in a long time. [1]: https://www.salon.com/2010/05/21/bagram_6/ https://www.salon.com/2010/05/21/bagram_6/
      - dpwm 7y ago
        I absolutely agree. My wording was ambiguous. The "just like the US" didn't apply to the change of government, but over a much longer timescale. This is absolutely something that has been almost consistent amongst US leaders going back as far as I can remember. Human rights and due process seem to be a stick with which to (selectively) beat other nations. They don't apply to the US or its cronies.

bsamuels 7y ago

tenuous claims? really? The only thing he's being extradited for is trying to hack into US gov computer systems, something which he literally admitted to in a chat message with Manning. https://www.wired.com/story/julian-assange-arrest-indictment-hacking-cfaa/ https://www.wired.com/story/julian-assange-arrest-indictment... This whole wikileaks debacle has really shaken my faith in comment quality on HN. Gone are the well informed insightful comments that give you a unique insight into the topic matter, and in with knee jerk comments that appeal to HN's overall political direction. I don't want to dive into the comments section to have my opinion reinforced by the chorus, I want to be challenged and maybe have my opinion changed in an intellectual way; and it just doesn't feel like this site is good for that anymore.

belorn 7y ago
Not the first time the US has tried to enforce computer laws in regard to password hashes. The infamous case of AACS encryption key controversy and 09 F9 showed a lot of people willing to help with hacking into computer system, and the reaction from the legal system.
JudgeWapner 7y ago
> I want to be challenged and maybe have my opinion changed in an intellectual way be the change you want to see in the world! begin by not selectively ignoring the false allegations that brought him disrepute. Then you can gain some "insight" from the concept that the US could level much more serious charges against him after he lands on US soil from the relatively minor "hacking" charge. From there you can challenge yourself to respect the temerity required to expose war crimes committed by the most powerful nation in the world. You can do it; my faith in you isn't as easily shaken!
dpwm 7y ago
> The only thing he's being extradited for is trying to hack into US gov computer systems, something which he literally admitted to in a chat message with Manning. https://www.wired.com/story/julian-assange-arrest-indictment.. https://www.wired.com/story/julian-assange-arrest-indictment.... It sounds like an open and shut case then. So why does the US want his possessions? The US should have no interest in his possessions if they are genuinely not on a fishing expedition. Why is Chelsea Manning's testimony required? Why is she back in prison? It seems an open and shut case. Maybe the media are telling you it's not a fishing expedition, but it sure looks like one.

pjc50 7y ago

Individuals being allowed to claim asylum in an embassy building, which is normally a workplace with the lowered expectation of privacy thereto, is really exceptional. In fact, how many other examples even are there?

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