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TempleOS: Installation

130 points by xena 7y ago

obituary_latte 7y ago
Have there been any major improvements/updates/upgrades to TempleOS in the last year or so? Haven't seen the author of the OS posting around much in that time.
- css 7y ago
  Terry Davis passed away about a year ago: https://www.thedalleschronicle.com/news/local/man-killed-by-train-had-tech-following/article_57e12c9f-d06c-5356-8a1a-f8e4322bd573.html https://www.thedalleschronicle.com/news/local/man-killed-by-...
  - obituary_latte 7y ago
    Bummer. Thanks.
- jonhohle 7y ago
  The author, Terry Davis, passed away last August.
- deleted 7y ago
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- deleted 7y ago
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- alephnerd 7y ago
  Terry Davis (the creator and sole contributor) died almost a year ago sadly, so there haven’t been any updates.
- artursapek 7y ago
  RIP Terry
- lloydde 7y ago
  The creator Terry A. Davis died last year, August 11, 2018. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_A._Davis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_A._Davis
- majkinetor 7y ago
  Yeah, pretty big one here: https://github.com/DivineSystems/DivineOS https://github.com/DivineSystems/DivineOS There is also the one that adds package manager and network :) https://github.com/minexew/Shrine https://github.com/minexew/Shrine I am freaking amazed !
  - xena 7y ago
    I was never able to get Shrine's network layer working.
sagebird 7y ago
I don't like running TempleOS on hardware or in a full fledged VM(Seems like overkill). I would like to make an alternate virtual machine to run TempleOs programs on, in Javascript using a Canvas element for UI. I am unsure if there are constructs which TempleOS uses which are unrepresentable in a virtual machine built inside of a javascript virtual machines - like threads, interrupts, etc. I think events could be wired up as interrupts and there is probably a way to simulate threads in a single thread but I have no experience here. If anyone has any insight into what the challenges of such an approach would be, I would love to hear them.
- yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
  Philosophical objection: that is exactly the opposite of what TempleOS is about. Practical objection: By the time you've done that, you'd have written a complete IBM-PC-to-browser compatibility layer. ... This would be super cool if it worked, I'm just sceptical.
  - garaetjjte 7y ago
    x86 emulators in browser are available: https://copy.sh/v86/ https://copy.sh/v86/ https://bellard.org/jslinux/ https://bellard.org/jslinux/ These won't run TempleOS though, because it requires x86-64.
    - yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
      Didn't sound like OP wanted a VM; they wanted a reimplementation or compatibility layer (like wine or wsl).
  - danmg 7y ago
    Bochs is not terry approved.
  - sagebird 7y ago
    Re: complete IBM-PC-to-browser- I am not sure about that. I think that the Holy C compiler only emits a small subset of all of the x86/64 Instruction set.
milsorgen 7y ago
Man I miss Terry. His live streams were fascinating, often sprinkled with real insights among the insanity. Shame it all ever unfolded the way it did.
- tempguy9999 7y ago
  As I don't have time to go through his oevre could you perhaps pass on to us a few insights of his? TIA
  - xena 7y ago
    - Less is more - Context switching doesn't have to be expensive - Compatibility is nice, but so is speed - Know your codebase well enough to be able to jump to random parts of it and explain what is going on
wazoox 7y ago
QEMU and KVM also support pcspkr audio, so they should be perfectly suitable to run TempleOS.
- xena 7y ago
  Does it support emulating one for a MacBook that lacks the hardware?
  - wazoox 7y ago
    Yes, it's certainly using whatever sound hardware you have to emit beeps and blips :)
DavidAdams 7y ago
Terry was a nut, but he did a pretty good job of getting the word out about his magnum opus. Over several years, he alternated between sincere advocacy and unhinged abuse in trying to get my website OSNews to cover his OS development efforts more widely. Eventually, one of our volunteer editors patiently worked with him to produce an article about it: https://www.osnews.com/story/23796/recreational-programming-with-losethos/ https://www.osnews.com/story/23796/recreational-programming-... I just spent a few minutes reviewing my email archive of correspondence with Terry, and it warms my heart a little, even though at the time is was kind of terrifying.
- layoutIfNeeded 7y ago
  Would you be able to publish said letters somewhere for posterity?
  - Waterluvian 7y ago
    When I die I hope people don't decide to begin sharing my private conversations.
    - layoutIfNeeded 7y ago
      I’m sorry to inform you, but that’s often how we preserve history... E.g. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/letters-first-world-war-1915/ http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/lette... Should we destroy these letters too?
    - altmind 7y ago
      When you die, there will be nobody to care about that
    - sushid 7y ago
      Oof, I'm guessing you're not a big fan of biographies or history books.
fb03 7y ago
I sincerely enjoyed Terry A. Davis' videos on youtube. Yes, You need to actively remember that you are dealing with a person with severe and possibly badly treated/untreated mental illness, and I say this because of the random bouts of aggressiveness and also blatant use of curse words such as n*gger and etc. Also his very skewed political views and whatnot. But if you can keep that in mind ("I am dealing with a sick person") and forgive his behavior during those bad events, you'll be able to "savor" his videos in a very technical way. The guy was truly a genius on its own league, a fact that, together with his mental illness, probably hurled him further into loneliness (I am sure several bright people here on HN can relate on how being different or bright sometimes equals loneliness, specially during early years). So please, try to watch his videos with these guidelines in mind, you'll surely be able to get some good lessons about delivering a vision, lowlevel compiler work or algorithms into your own craft.
- xena 7y ago
  I'd love to take those videos and turn them into proper coherent blogposts. That's my main goal for the rest of this series.
areoform 7y ago
I learned today that Terry died. There is mist in my eyes and pain in my heart. I wish I could have helped him. Sorry Terry, you were born with a loaded gun. I wish we could have healed you. I wish we could have taken care of you. I wish you were still here to share your gift with the world. I’ll install Temple OS on a Raspi in your honor and memory. edit: https://youtu.be/bQlE2C7K7Kc https://youtu.be/bQlE2C7K7Kc
- dantle 7y ago
  TempleOS is written in x86-64 assembly and won't run on a Raspi. Try a VM!
- jszymborski 7y ago
  I felt similarly when I heard the news. I can't explain the sadness I felt when I learned that 4Chan brigades are largely responsible for how quickly his situation deteriorated. For those who, like me, didn't know, he had begun live-streaming, where he would take call-ins to his landline. It's there that a concerted campaign to get Terry to alienate himself from his parents (with whom he lived) and stop taking his medication. This is not to mention how they egged on romantic feelings for a YouTube personality who they would later impersonate and torture him with in awful ways. All this led to Terry's parents being unable to house him. They were very old and the situation became impossible. Terry survived on the streets for sometime, meeting up with (genuine and loving) fans along the way. Terry sadly was struck by a train. We were able to celebrate an eccentric and strange life because of the internet. It also ended it. I hope the internet can heal... I know people like you and I hope it can. It didn't here. If you want to learn more about Terry's life and death, please check out Fredrick Knudsen's video essay. It is in-depth and important, although very challenging because of the subject matter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCgoxQCf5Jg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCgoxQCf5Jg Finally, if you feel like you or someone you care for are in crisis, or might be soon, consider speaking to the folks at NAMI in the US. If you're not in the US, they can direct you to people in your country. 1-800-950-NAMI (6264) or info@nami.org
  - guiomie 7y ago
    This is so awful.
classichasclass 7y ago
It seems like there is ample opportunity for someone to issue a more polished TempleOS with a little less idiosyncrasy and a little more userland but still preserve the quick and dirty feel, the tightly integrated compiler and runtime and the minimal separation from the metal that makes it unique.
tlrobinson 7y ago
Several interesting videos have been made about TempleOS and Terry's life since he passed away last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6HlbpczpDM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6HlbpczpDM (12 minutes) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCgoxQCf5Jg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCgoxQCf5Jg (1.5 hours)

130 points by xena 7y ago

Have there been any major improvements/updates/upgrades to TempleOS in the last year or so? Haven't seen the author of the OS posting around much in that time.

css 7y ago
Terry Davis passed away about a year ago: https://www.thedalleschronicle.com/news/local/man-killed-by-train-had-tech-following/article_57e12c9f-d06c-5356-8a1a-f8e4322bd573.html https://www.thedalleschronicle.com/news/local/man-killed-by-...
- obituary_latte 7y ago
  Bummer. Thanks.
jonhohle 7y ago
The author, Terry Davis, passed away last August.
deleted 7y ago
[deleted]
deleted 7y ago
[deleted]
alephnerd 7y ago
Terry Davis (the creator and sole contributor) died almost a year ago sadly, so there haven’t been any updates.
artursapek 7y ago
RIP Terry
lloydde 7y ago
The creator Terry A. Davis died last year, August 11, 2018. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_A._Davis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_A._Davis
majkinetor 7y ago
Yeah, pretty big one here: https://github.com/DivineSystems/DivineOS https://github.com/DivineSystems/DivineOS There is also the one that adds package manager and network :) https://github.com/minexew/Shrine https://github.com/minexew/Shrine I am freaking amazed !
- xena 7y ago
  I was never able to get Shrine's network layer working.

sagebird 7y ago

I don't like running TempleOS on hardware or in a full fledged VM(Seems like overkill). I would like to make an alternate virtual machine to run TempleOs programs on, in Javascript using a Canvas element for UI. I am unsure if there are constructs which TempleOS uses which are unrepresentable in a virtual machine built inside of a javascript virtual machines - like threads, interrupts, etc. I think events could be wired up as interrupts and there is probably a way to simulate threads in a single thread but I have no experience here. If anyone has any insight into what the challenges of such an approach would be, I would love to hear them.

yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
Philosophical objection: that is exactly the opposite of what TempleOS is about. Practical objection: By the time you've done that, you'd have written a complete IBM-PC-to-browser compatibility layer. ... This would be super cool if it worked, I'm just sceptical.
- garaetjjte 7y ago
  x86 emulators in browser are available: https://copy.sh/v86/ https://copy.sh/v86/ https://bellard.org/jslinux/ https://bellard.org/jslinux/ These won't run TempleOS though, because it requires x86-64.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
    Didn't sound like OP wanted a VM; they wanted a reimplementation or compatibility layer (like wine or wsl).
- danmg 7y ago
  Bochs is not terry approved.
- sagebird 7y ago
  Re: complete IBM-PC-to-browser- I am not sure about that. I think that the Holy C compiler only emits a small subset of all of the x86/64 Instruction set.

milsorgen 7y ago

Man I miss Terry. His live streams were fascinating, often sprinkled with real insights among the insanity. Shame it all ever unfolded the way it did.

tempguy9999 7y ago
As I don't have time to go through his oevre could you perhaps pass on to us a few insights of his? TIA
- xena 7y ago
  - Less is more - Context switching doesn't have to be expensive - Compatibility is nice, but so is speed - Know your codebase well enough to be able to jump to random parts of it and explain what is going on

wazoox 7y ago

QEMU and KVM also support pcspkr audio, so they should be perfectly suitable to run TempleOS.

xena 7y ago
Does it support emulating one for a MacBook that lacks the hardware?
- wazoox 7y ago
  Yes, it's certainly using whatever sound hardware you have to emit beeps and blips :)

DavidAdams 7y ago

Terry was a nut, but he did a pretty good job of getting the word out about his magnum opus. Over several years, he alternated between sincere advocacy and unhinged abuse in trying to get my website OSNews to cover his OS development efforts more widely. Eventually, one of our volunteer editors patiently worked with him to produce an article about it: https://www.osnews.com/story/23796/recreational-programming-with-losethos/ https://www.osnews.com/story/23796/recreational-programming-... I just spent a few minutes reviewing my email archive of correspondence with Terry, and it warms my heart a little, even though at the time is was kind of terrifying.

layoutIfNeeded 7y ago
Would you be able to publish said letters somewhere for posterity?
- Waterluvian 7y ago
  When I die I hope people don't decide to begin sharing my private conversations.
  - layoutIfNeeded 7y ago
    I’m sorry to inform you, but that’s often how we preserve history... E.g. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/letters-first-world-war-1915/ http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/lette... Should we destroy these letters too?
  - altmind 7y ago
    When you die, there will be nobody to care about that
  - sushid 7y ago
    Oof, I'm guessing you're not a big fan of biographies or history books.

fb03 7y ago

I sincerely enjoyed Terry A. Davis' videos on youtube. Yes, You need to actively remember that you are dealing with a person with severe and possibly badly treated/untreated mental illness, and I say this because of the random bouts of aggressiveness and also blatant use of curse words such as n*gger and etc. Also his very skewed political views and whatnot. But if you can keep that in mind ("I am dealing with a sick person") and forgive his behavior during those bad events, you'll be able to "savor" his videos in a very technical way. The guy was truly a genius on its own league, a fact that, together with his mental illness, probably hurled him further into loneliness (I am sure several bright people here on HN can relate on how being different or bright sometimes equals loneliness, specially during early years). So please, try to watch his videos with these guidelines in mind, you'll surely be able to get some good lessons about delivering a vision, lowlevel compiler work or algorithms into your own craft.

xena 7y ago
I'd love to take those videos and turn them into proper coherent blogposts. That's my main goal for the rest of this series.

areoform 7y ago

I learned today that Terry died. There is mist in my eyes and pain in my heart. I wish I could have helped him. Sorry Terry, you were born with a loaded gun. I wish we could have healed you. I wish we could have taken care of you. I wish you were still here to share your gift with the world. I’ll install Temple OS on a Raspi in your honor and memory. edit: https://youtu.be/bQlE2C7K7Kc https://youtu.be/bQlE2C7K7Kc

dantle 7y ago
TempleOS is written in x86-64 assembly and won't run on a Raspi. Try a VM!
jszymborski 7y ago
I felt similarly when I heard the news. I can't explain the sadness I felt when I learned that 4Chan brigades are largely responsible for how quickly his situation deteriorated. For those who, like me, didn't know, he had begun live-streaming, where he would take call-ins to his landline. It's there that a concerted campaign to get Terry to alienate himself from his parents (with whom he lived) and stop taking his medication. This is not to mention how they egged on romantic feelings for a YouTube personality who they would later impersonate and torture him with in awful ways. All this led to Terry's parents being unable to house him. They were very old and the situation became impossible. Terry survived on the streets for sometime, meeting up with (genuine and loving) fans along the way. Terry sadly was struck by a train. We were able to celebrate an eccentric and strange life because of the internet. It also ended it. I hope the internet can heal... I know people like you and I hope it can. It didn't here. If you want to learn more about Terry's life and death, please check out Fredrick Knudsen's video essay. It is in-depth and important, although very challenging because of the subject matter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCgoxQCf5Jg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCgoxQCf5Jg Finally, if you feel like you or someone you care for are in crisis, or might be soon, consider speaking to the folks at NAMI in the US. If you're not in the US, they can direct you to people in your country. 1-800-950-NAMI (6264) or info@nami.org
- guiomie 7y ago
  This is so awful.

classichasclass 7y ago

It seems like there is ample opportunity for someone to issue a more polished TempleOS with a little less idiosyncrasy and a little more userland but still preserve the quick and dirty feel, the tightly integrated compiler and runtime and the minimal separation from the metal that makes it unique.

tlrobinson 7y ago

Several interesting videos have been made about TempleOS and Terry's life since he passed away last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6HlbpczpDM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6HlbpczpDM (12 minutes) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCgoxQCf5Jg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCgoxQCf5Jg (1.5 hours)