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> That means the many, many women in this world who are just trying to do their jobs and make progress in their careers are being stymied by men who are terrifi

> That means the many, many women in this world who are just trying to do their jobs and make progress in their careers are being stymied by men who are terrified of being, I dunno, unable to control themselves while talking to a woman in the conference room. I realize this is a bad situation here, but this is an incredibly uncharitable take. Yes, that is probably true for some men, but others are probably worried about things looking bad even if nothing happens, or about false accusations.

weberc2 7y ago
Calling it merely "uncharitable" and not "overtly bad faith" is a very charitable interpretation on your part. :)
- atomical 7y ago
  The words "Bad faith" are such a cop out lately. Everyone is using it because they think it is a clear way to win an argument fast. What do you mean when using it?
  - TulliusCicero 7y ago
    In this case I think it's appropriate. There's been a 32% increase in this attitude since last year. Do you really think the author of the article believes that 32% more men can't control themselves around women than last year?
    - mcphage 7y ago
      > Do you really think the author of the article believes that 32% more men can't control themselves around women than last year? I could believe that 32% more men realize that their inability (or disinterest) in controlling themselves around women might actually have consequences.
  - mattmcknight 7y ago
    Intentional misrepresentation of another's view.
  - weberc2 7y ago
    I agree it's overused and abused, but this is pretty straightforward. The author is attributing the rise to "men can't control themselves" instead of the obvious "men are afraid of false accusations". Even if the latter is not a good reason to be uncomfortable, the article should address that point instead of the overt strawman.
sct202 7y ago
It seems kind of like how male teachers are often vigilant about being too friendly or nurturing in case it looks like grooming.

weberc2 7y ago

Calling it merely "uncharitable" and not "overtly bad faith" is a very charitable interpretation on your part. :)

atomical 7y ago
The words "Bad faith" are such a cop out lately. Everyone is using it because they think it is a clear way to win an argument fast. What do you mean when using it?
- TulliusCicero 7y ago
  In this case I think it's appropriate. There's been a 32% increase in this attitude since last year. Do you really think the author of the article believes that 32% more men can't control themselves around women than last year?
  - mcphage 7y ago
    > Do you really think the author of the article believes that 32% more men can't control themselves around women than last year? I could believe that 32% more men realize that their inability (or disinterest) in controlling themselves around women might actually have consequences.
- mattmcknight 7y ago
  Intentional misrepresentation of another's view.
- weberc2 7y ago
  I agree it's overused and abused, but this is pretty straightforward. The author is attributing the rise to "men can't control themselves" instead of the obvious "men are afraid of false accusations". Even if the latter is not a good reason to be uncomfortable, the article should address that point instead of the overt strawman.

sct202 7y ago

It seems kind of like how male teachers are often vigilant about being too friendly or nurturing in case it looks like grooming.