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this is absurd. these people are reactionaries. they should know that false accusations almost never happen and if they act in good faith they'll be fine. inste

by 0x262d 7y ago

this is absurd. these people are reactionaries. they should know that false accusations almost never happen and if they act in good faith they'll be fine. instead they're going to professionally penalize women. classic.

life_is_shor 7y ago
It doesn't need to be a false accusation. It just needs the accuser has lack of objectivity and a high level of paranoia. Very common in 50% of the population.
- TulliusCicero 7y ago
  > Very common in 50% of the population. Just to be clear here, you're asserting that lack of objectivity and paranoia are particularly common in women? If so, that's...really really sexist.
  - life_is_shor 7y ago
    Will it still be sexist if I can demonstrate it?
    - TulliusCicero 7y ago
      Possibly, though I have to admit I'm morbidly curious about what you're referring to.
      - hirundo 7y ago
        Possibly the poster is over extrapolating the finding that women self-report higher levels of neuroticism than males. It's not clear to me that 1) self reporting is a reliable measure, 2) higher neuroticism implies higher paranoia or lower objectivity or 3) higher neuroticism is necessarily a negative trait. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11519935 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11519935
jacquesm 7y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape For something as serious as rape it's 2% to 10%, for something less serious it would likely be higher.
- weberc2 7y ago
  According to that page, it's only 2-10% of cases that police were able to determine that no crime had been committed. Given how difficult it is to disprove a sexual assault, the number of false accusations must be must higher. Consider also that those were just the cases that the accuser felt so confident in their ability to frame their victim that they reported it to the police instead of merely slandering their target to HR or via social media or similar.
- pwinnski 7y ago
  What's the percentage of accusations in the workplace that turn out to be unsubstantiated? And what percentage of those result in any consequence for the reportee rather than the reporter? Most workplaces don't feature many accusations of rape, real or false, so a 2% rate for all of life doesn't seem particularly relevant.
- commandlinefan 7y ago
  > 2% to 10% That’s just accusations that make it to court, too - the numbers that are settled behind closed doors are surely far higher.
mfatica 7y ago
Almost never happen so much that someone wrote a handbook on how to successfully bring up false accusations https://www.amazon.com/How-Destroy-Man-Now-DAMN/dp/099982032X https://www.amazon.com/How-Destroy-Man-Now-DAMN/dp/099982032...

by 0x262d 7y ago

life_is_shor 7y ago

It doesn't need to be a false accusation. It just needs the accuser has lack of objectivity and a high level of paranoia. Very common in 50% of the population.

TulliusCicero 7y ago
> Very common in 50% of the population. Just to be clear here, you're asserting that lack of objectivity and paranoia are particularly common in women? If so, that's...really really sexist.
- life_is_shor 7y ago
  Will it still be sexist if I can demonstrate it?
  - TulliusCicero 7y ago
    Possibly, though I have to admit I'm morbidly curious about what you're referring to.
    - hirundo 7y ago
      Possibly the poster is over extrapolating the finding that women self-report higher levels of neuroticism than males. It's not clear to me that 1) self reporting is a reliable measure, 2) higher neuroticism implies higher paranoia or lower objectivity or 3) higher neuroticism is necessarily a negative trait. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11519935 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11519935

jacquesm 7y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape For something as serious as rape it's 2% to 10%, for something less serious it would likely be higher.

weberc2 7y ago
According to that page, it's only 2-10% of cases that police were able to determine that no crime had been committed. Given how difficult it is to disprove a sexual assault, the number of false accusations must be must higher. Consider also that those were just the cases that the accuser felt so confident in their ability to frame their victim that they reported it to the police instead of merely slandering their target to HR or via social media or similar.
pwinnski 7y ago
What's the percentage of accusations in the workplace that turn out to be unsubstantiated? And what percentage of those result in any consequence for the reportee rather than the reporter? Most workplaces don't feature many accusations of rape, real or false, so a 2% rate for all of life doesn't seem particularly relevant.
commandlinefan 7y ago
> 2% to 10% That’s just accusations that make it to court, too - the numbers that are settled behind closed doors are surely far higher.

mfatica 7y ago

Almost never happen so much that someone wrote a handbook on how to successfully bring up false accusations https://www.amazon.com/How-Destroy-Man-Now-DAMN/dp/099982032X https://www.amazon.com/How-Destroy-Man-Now-DAMN/dp/099982032...