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It seems like Facebook has staked out a legal position on this. A dubious one likely to fail and doubtless designed mostly to buy time, but a legal position non

by koboll 7y ago

It seems like Facebook has staked out a legal position on this. A dubious one likely to fail and doubtless designed mostly to buy time, but a legal position nonetheless, which will only be struck down by a court, not an email reply chain. You had me up until the legalese email, after which the correct response is to sue. You lost me with the belligerent reply ranting about what Mark said in the Washington Post. It seems, at that point, that you're more interested in grandstanding than making a defensible case.

akavel 7y ago
Based on the other comments mentioning that the Ireland's GDPR office is apparently trying its best to avoid helping EU citizens, I'd guess he might be double-checking if there's any chance he can get anything from FB before taking it to the courts. Other than that, my guess is he hopes that this story will get picked by press sooner or later, and thus tries to make the paper trail as attractive and instantly easy to use in newspapers as possible. With a side goal of also making it as attractive, fun to read, and generally entertaining as possible, to any other people casually coming by his site. Which I see as a very noble and valuable goal, esp. when talking about legal stuff, which is super hard to talk and write about in entertaining and approachable way.
rubenverborgh 7y ago
No worries, that e-mail is definitely not my only response. Not putting all my cards on the table yet. Grandstanding is not my goal; it's a means of attracting attention to a matter that people have been desensitized to. A secondary goal is to cause internal escalation. In the end, I really just want my data, as way to create a path for myself and others.
- nzealand 7y ago
  Unfortunately, that tool only gives me all of the data I put on there myself. So nothing I didn’t already have I believe that is all you are entitled to, under the data portability portion of GDPR: The data subject shall have the right to receive the personal data concerning him or her, which he or she has provided to a controller For information about you, uploaded by someone else, I thought your rights are not so clear: Where personal data have not been obtained from the data subject, the controller shall provide the data subject with the following information: (c) the purposes of the processing for which the personal data are intended as well as the legal basis for the processing; (d) the categories of personal data concerned; (e) the recipients or categories of recipients of the personal data
  - icebraining 7y ago
    The Data Portability article is about receiving that uploaded data in a standard, machine-readable format, and Article 14 on data not obtained from the data subject just says what extra information must be provided about it. Article 15 - "Right of access by the data subject" - is what defines one's right to a copy of personal data, and has no restriction on the personal data one is entitled to access.
- pdonis 7y ago
  > I really just want my data Is data posted on FB by other people, which just happens to be (partly) about you, "your" data?
  - icebraining 7y ago
    Since he's making the request under the GDPR, yes; if the data relates to him, it's his personal data.

by koboll 7y ago

akavel 7y ago

Based on the other comments mentioning that the Ireland's GDPR office is apparently trying its best to avoid helping EU citizens, I'd guess he might be double-checking if there's any chance he can get anything from FB before taking it to the courts. Other than that, my guess is he hopes that this story will get picked by press sooner or later, and thus tries to make the paper trail as attractive and instantly easy to use in newspapers as possible. With a side goal of also making it as attractive, fun to read, and generally entertaining as possible, to any other people casually coming by his site. Which I see as a very noble and valuable goal, esp. when talking about legal stuff, which is super hard to talk and write about in entertaining and approachable way.

rubenverborgh 7y ago

No worries, that e-mail is definitely not my only response. Not putting all my cards on the table yet. Grandstanding is not my goal; it's a means of attracting attention to a matter that people have been desensitized to. A secondary goal is to cause internal escalation. In the end, I really just want my data, as way to create a path for myself and others.

nzealand 7y ago
Unfortunately, that tool only gives me all of the data I put on there myself. So nothing I didn’t already have I believe that is all you are entitled to, under the data portability portion of GDPR: The data subject shall have the right to receive the personal data concerning him or her, which he or she has provided to a controller For information about you, uploaded by someone else, I thought your rights are not so clear: Where personal data have not been obtained from the data subject, the controller shall provide the data subject with the following information: (c) the purposes of the processing for which the personal data are intended as well as the legal basis for the processing; (d) the categories of personal data concerned; (e) the recipients or categories of recipients of the personal data
- icebraining 7y ago
  The Data Portability article is about receiving that uploaded data in a standard, machine-readable format, and Article 14 on data not obtained from the data subject just says what extra information must be provided about it. Article 15 - "Right of access by the data subject" - is what defines one's right to a copy of personal data, and has no restriction on the personal data one is entitled to access.
pdonis 7y ago
> I really just want my data Is data posted on FB by other people, which just happens to be (partly) about you, "your" data?
- icebraining 7y ago
  Since he's making the request under the GDPR, yes; if the data relates to him, it's his personal data.