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"I think it is insane to even consider trusting critical communication infrastructure to a company from an authoritarian country with a history of spying, censo

"I think it is insane to even consider trusting critical communication infrastructure to a company from an authoritarian country with a history of spying, censoring and mind-controlling its own citizens." You may wanna lookup MKULTRA, and then Cisco's backdoors, and basically every major US Telco's connections to intelligence agencies.

_Microft 7y ago
In which way would the US government considered as authoritarian? There are some tendencies with the ongoing aggressions against free media with the current one but even that is almost limited to the president and his speaker.
- geggam 7y ago
  Go watch some US police interacting with the public videos and tell me that isnt authoritarian.
  - Fjolsvith 7y ago
    It isn't the same scale as what you find in China: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/04/world/asia/xinjiang-china-surveillance-prison.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/04/world/asia/xi... https://www.theepochtimes.com/5-chinese-prisons-that-are-the-size-of-small-towns_1408741.html https://www.theepochtimes.com/5-chinese-prisons-that-are-the... https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2120318/human-rights-china-under-xi-jinping-worst-tiananmen https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/21...
    - geggam 7y ago
      You really compared the US to China for human rights ?
      - Fjolsvith 7y ago
        You really telling me that they both authoritarian?
- justaaron 7y ago
  1) claiming dominion to the entire world, implied by over 800 military bases in over 70 countries, implied by a "central command" pertaining to the middle-east and central asia 2) political grandstanding using the supposedly neutral mechanism of courts (grand jury trials...) to push political agendas and punish leaking in leiu of the actual malfeasance leaked about 3) unilateral sanctions that require 3rd party nations to comply with the USA's wishes over who it does and doesn't do business with. Said Huawei executive awaiting extradition from Canada to the USA is facing 30 years for trading with the Iranians against the US wishes. 4) claims of exemption from internationalism, the International Criminal Court, and general specialness with regards to following the rules-based structures many of which the US was initially instrumental in forming. 5) Establishing an international order of overtly authoritarian leaders while paying lip service to democracy. See Egypt (Mubarak and now his former general, Sisi) and Kissingers work with Pinochet and Allende for classic examples. The US is arguably one of the most authoritarian nations on earth, trading in the pure hypocrisy of outright lying and denial when confronted with the reality of it's empire. It's not a bloodless empire nor even very stable, by former imperial standards. It's certainly an empire, and thus authoritarian by definition. See "etymology" of the word "authority"
  - _Microft 7y ago
    That's imperialism, not authoritarism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism
mcv 7y ago
That's certainly true. If there's one country that has a history of spying and compromising technology for espionage purposes, it's the US. Government access to user data is still the primary point of contention between the US and EU. And the US has in the past forced companies to create backdoors or otherwise assist the government with access to information. So maybe we should stop trusting US companies. And if we can't trust China and the US, maybe it's time for a major European phone maker.
- geggam 7y ago
  Check out who does most of the MDM ... Russia... Informatica and Reltio ( startup from ex Informatica folks ) both use russian developers and those developers have access to the data. Now check the list of clients who are sending your data to Russia
  - mcv 7y ago
    Are you saying Informatica sends data to Russia? I would hope not; I work at a bank that keeps lots of data in Informatica.
    - geggam 7y ago
      Check the rules around who can and cant access data. Employees can access data regardless of where they live. The more you learn about how things work the less comfortable you should be :)
sampo 7y ago
Well, EU doesn't have its own capability and companies to provide this infra, so EU has to buy it from somewhere. US or China.

_Microft 7y ago

In which way would the US government considered as authoritarian? There are some tendencies with the ongoing aggressions against free media with the current one but even that is almost limited to the president and his speaker.

geggam 7y ago
Go watch some US police interacting with the public videos and tell me that isnt authoritarian.
- Fjolsvith 7y ago
  It isn't the same scale as what you find in China: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/04/world/asia/xinjiang-china-surveillance-prison.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/04/world/asia/xi... https://www.theepochtimes.com/5-chinese-prisons-that-are-the-size-of-small-towns_1408741.html https://www.theepochtimes.com/5-chinese-prisons-that-are-the... https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2120318/human-rights-china-under-xi-jinping-worst-tiananmen https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/21...
  - geggam 7y ago
    You really compared the US to China for human rights ?
    - Fjolsvith 7y ago
      You really telling me that they both authoritarian?
justaaron 7y ago
1) claiming dominion to the entire world, implied by over 800 military bases in over 70 countries, implied by a "central command" pertaining to the middle-east and central asia 2) political grandstanding using the supposedly neutral mechanism of courts (grand jury trials...) to push political agendas and punish leaking in leiu of the actual malfeasance leaked about 3) unilateral sanctions that require 3rd party nations to comply with the USA's wishes over who it does and doesn't do business with. Said Huawei executive awaiting extradition from Canada to the USA is facing 30 years for trading with the Iranians against the US wishes. 4) claims of exemption from internationalism, the International Criminal Court, and general specialness with regards to following the rules-based structures many of which the US was initially instrumental in forming. 5) Establishing an international order of overtly authoritarian leaders while paying lip service to democracy. See Egypt (Mubarak and now his former general, Sisi) and Kissingers work with Pinochet and Allende for classic examples. The US is arguably one of the most authoritarian nations on earth, trading in the pure hypocrisy of outright lying and denial when confronted with the reality of it's empire. It's not a bloodless empire nor even very stable, by former imperial standards. It's certainly an empire, and thus authoritarian by definition. See "etymology" of the word "authority"
- _Microft 7y ago
  That's imperialism, not authoritarism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism

mcv 7y ago

That's certainly true. If there's one country that has a history of spying and compromising technology for espionage purposes, it's the US. Government access to user data is still the primary point of contention between the US and EU. And the US has in the past forced companies to create backdoors or otherwise assist the government with access to information. So maybe we should stop trusting US companies. And if we can't trust China and the US, maybe it's time for a major European phone maker.

geggam 7y ago
Check out who does most of the MDM ... Russia... Informatica and Reltio ( startup from ex Informatica folks ) both use russian developers and those developers have access to the data. Now check the list of clients who are sending your data to Russia
- mcv 7y ago
  Are you saying Informatica sends data to Russia? I would hope not; I work at a bank that keeps lots of data in Informatica.
  - geggam 7y ago
    Check the rules around who can and cant access data. Employees can access data regardless of where they live. The more you learn about how things work the less comfortable you should be :)

sampo 7y ago

Well, EU doesn't have its own capability and companies to provide this infra, so EU has to buy it from somewhere. US or China.