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I don't disagree, but I think the perspective is a bit weird. Especially this part: >But the fact that the market power of the Americans has such a big influen

by njepa 7y ago

I don't disagree, but I think the perspective is a bit weird. Especially this part: >But the fact that the market power of the Americans has such a big influence is our own fault. European governments have failed to create framework conditions to create competition here as well. If you know which parties in Europe are in charge, it is not surprising. Europeans have been specifically willing to let the US and China dominate these markets. Most of Europe literally relies on the US for their security with NATO. Many of our companies have been sold to China, or are manufacturing in China. Of course we can't have our cake an eat it too. (Unless it is something like this that you meant).

luckylion 7y ago
I agree, and I understand the OP to say that as well. I don't know if it is/was incompetence to not support domestic industries, or the wish to not anger the US by competing on this area, or something else, I don't know. I believe most of these areas (the hardware, the software, the services) are of such high importance that is indeed of national (talking EU wide) interest to not have to rely on foreign interests. We trust Google to not unfairly kill hardware vendors, to not manipulate search results, but ultimately, we're powerless if they do, and having to "trust" a foreign government on these essential things sounds bad. Whether it's China or the US ("America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests") is secondary imho. Yes, we have better relations with the US, but who can tell whether our interests will align 10 or 20 years down the road?
Alir3z4 7y ago
This and plus whenever US sanctions a country, EU is the first party to jump and follow them. (_tasting their own medicine now somehow_) EU only has a sense of independence but in reality it doesn't, it's too depended on US, so much that they can't move a needle without US permission. Just have a look how they're under pressure to buy Gas from Russia or import oil from sanctioned country like Iran. EU needs to grow up :D

by njepa 7y ago

luckylion 7y ago

I agree, and I understand the OP to say that as well. I don't know if it is/was incompetence to not support domestic industries, or the wish to not anger the US by competing on this area, or something else, I don't know. I believe most of these areas (the hardware, the software, the services) are of such high importance that is indeed of national (talking EU wide) interest to not have to rely on foreign interests. We trust Google to not unfairly kill hardware vendors, to not manipulate search results, but ultimately, we're powerless if they do, and having to "trust" a foreign government on these essential things sounds bad. Whether it's China or the US ("America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests") is secondary imho. Yes, we have better relations with the US, but who can tell whether our interests will align 10 or 20 years down the road?

Alir3z4 7y ago

This and plus whenever US sanctions a country, EU is the first party to jump and follow them. (_tasting their own medicine now somehow_) EU only has a sense of independence but in reality it doesn't, it's too depended on US, so much that they can't move a needle without US permission. Just have a look how they're under pressure to buy Gas from Russia or import oil from sanctioned country like Iran. EU needs to grow up :D