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You can use irccloud and you got irc on mobile, with easy picture integration and you don't miss messages when not online. (Like slack/discord).

dmitriid 7y ago
HN has a very strange hate/love relationship with modern chat systems. Slack/Discord/whatever: they are proprietary, they are closed-source, they are bad. IRCCloud (which is proprietary, closed source etc.): oh, it's so good, use it.
- trampi 7y ago
  use The Lounge if you want to host something like that yourself, it is open source. I like it. https://thelounge.chat/ https://thelounge.chat/
- swiley 7y ago
  This is probably because IRCCloud is not the one running the server the channel is hosted on; You don’t have to use it if your friends do. If that changed the average HN user’s attitude would probably change as well.
- xfitm3 7y ago
  IRCCloud's privacy policy should be of concern: "We keep logs of your IRC communications until you delete your account with us, or a connection, or channel. This means that, even if you stop using IRCCloud for a while, when you next log in, it will be as if you never went away."
  - qxcbr 7y ago
    So like any other messenger? You can delete your logs whenever you like, but they don't get deleted automatically.
- Fnoord 7y ago
  > HN has a very strange hate/love relationship with modern chat systems. > Slack/Discord/whatever: they are proprietary, they are closed-source, they are bad. > IRCCloud (which is proprietary, closed source etc.): oh, it's so good, use it. Who exactly is "HN"? How did you even decide "HN" has opinion X or Y? I'm fine with Discord because its mostly used for gaming. Given the previous options (Ventrilo, TeamSpeak, Mumble, Skype), it is miles better. And of these, only Mumble is fully FOSS. A clear disadvantage is however privacy-related, but for gaming that isn't a huge issue. What I'm not fine with is being forced to use Slack for work-related material. You don't want such sensitive data centralized. You want to host such yourself, or have the private keys yourself. IRCCloud, whatever it is, probably does not have the same amount of users as the previously mentioned two. But if it uses the IRC protocol (which the name suggests), at least that is open and there's no vendor lock-in like with Slack/Discord. Which, given that Slack is used for commercial endeavors, is worse for Slack.
  - nathanlied 7y ago
    I'm not fine with Discord as a replacement for TeamSpeak. I recognise some of its advantages, but the voice quality is absolute garbage when compared to what you can get TeamSpeak to do.
    - Fnoord 7y ago
      Can you be specific? I don't need high quality voice quality for gaming. I need it to be good enough. I've been content with Ventrilo's GSM voice quality as well. My issue with Ventrilo wasn't the voice quality; it was the lag!!
  - dmitriid 7y ago
    > What I'm not fine with is being forced to use Slack for work-related material. You don't want such sensitive data centralized. You want to host such yourself and immediately: > IRCCloud, whatever it is, probably does not have the same amount of users as the previously mentioned two. But if it uses the IRC protocol (which the name suggests), at least that is open IRCCloud is a centralised, closed-source entity that stores all your chat logs in the cloud. So, no different than Slack/Discord (with the exception of the protocol). > Which, given that Slack is used for commercial endeavors, is worse for Slack. How is it worse for Slack? Slack clearly provides value that IRC (and XMPP) don't. I really wish people would try and see why Slack etc. are popular and used (including in commercial settings), and why IRC/XMPP are not.
- Insanity 7y ago
  All generalizations are bad. :D You say "HN has a ..." but I use Discord for fun and have no problem with it. There's no one type of person on HN. :)
  - dmitriid 7y ago
    > You say "HN has a ..." but I use Discord for fun and have no problem with it. See comments to every mention of Slack, or other modern chat software. you will see a lot of people saying that IRC/XMPP was better and suggesting open protocols and IRCCloud :)

dmitriid 7y ago

HN has a very strange hate/love relationship with modern chat systems. Slack/Discord/whatever: they are proprietary, they are closed-source, they are bad. IRCCloud (which is proprietary, closed source etc.): oh, it's so good, use it.

trampi 7y ago
use The Lounge if you want to host something like that yourself, it is open source. I like it. https://thelounge.chat/ https://thelounge.chat/
swiley 7y ago
This is probably because IRCCloud is not the one running the server the channel is hosted on; You don’t have to use it if your friends do. If that changed the average HN user’s attitude would probably change as well.
xfitm3 7y ago
IRCCloud's privacy policy should be of concern: "We keep logs of your IRC communications until you delete your account with us, or a connection, or channel. This means that, even if you stop using IRCCloud for a while, when you next log in, it will be as if you never went away."
- qxcbr 7y ago
  So like any other messenger? You can delete your logs whenever you like, but they don't get deleted automatically.
Fnoord 7y ago
> HN has a very strange hate/love relationship with modern chat systems. > Slack/Discord/whatever: they are proprietary, they are closed-source, they are bad. > IRCCloud (which is proprietary, closed source etc.): oh, it's so good, use it. Who exactly is "HN"? How did you even decide "HN" has opinion X or Y? I'm fine with Discord because its mostly used for gaming. Given the previous options (Ventrilo, TeamSpeak, Mumble, Skype), it is miles better. And of these, only Mumble is fully FOSS. A clear disadvantage is however privacy-related, but for gaming that isn't a huge issue. What I'm not fine with is being forced to use Slack for work-related material. You don't want such sensitive data centralized. You want to host such yourself, or have the private keys yourself. IRCCloud, whatever it is, probably does not have the same amount of users as the previously mentioned two. But if it uses the IRC protocol (which the name suggests), at least that is open and there's no vendor lock-in like with Slack/Discord. Which, given that Slack is used for commercial endeavors, is worse for Slack.
- nathanlied 7y ago
  I'm not fine with Discord as a replacement for TeamSpeak. I recognise some of its advantages, but the voice quality is absolute garbage when compared to what you can get TeamSpeak to do.
  - Fnoord 7y ago
    Can you be specific? I don't need high quality voice quality for gaming. I need it to be good enough. I've been content with Ventrilo's GSM voice quality as well. My issue with Ventrilo wasn't the voice quality; it was the lag!!
- dmitriid 7y ago
  > What I'm not fine with is being forced to use Slack for work-related material. You don't want such sensitive data centralized. You want to host such yourself and immediately: > IRCCloud, whatever it is, probably does not have the same amount of users as the previously mentioned two. But if it uses the IRC protocol (which the name suggests), at least that is open IRCCloud is a centralised, closed-source entity that stores all your chat logs in the cloud. So, no different than Slack/Discord (with the exception of the protocol). > Which, given that Slack is used for commercial endeavors, is worse for Slack. How is it worse for Slack? Slack clearly provides value that IRC (and XMPP) don't. I really wish people would try and see why Slack etc. are popular and used (including in commercial settings), and why IRC/XMPP are not.
Insanity 7y ago
All generalizations are bad. :D You say "HN has a ..." but I use Discord for fun and have no problem with it. There's no one type of person on HN. :)
- dmitriid 7y ago
  > You say "HN has a ..." but I use Discord for fun and have no problem with it. See comments to every mention of Slack, or other modern chat software. you will see a lot of people saying that IRC/XMPP was better and suggesting open protocols and IRCCloud :)