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As an Australian with a Hauwei phone, the writing is on the wall for me. Google Android in no longer a universal platform and moving forward, I doubt I'll ever

by timkly 7y ago

As an Australian with a Hauwei phone, the writing is on the wall for me. Google Android in no longer a universal platform and moving forward, I doubt I'll ever buy anything again Google or US related again in terms of tech. This si no longer a China vs US issue, it's the US vs the world.

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PixyMisa 7y ago
It's a China vs. the world issue. China has been spying on everyone, for years. Political, military, commercial, makes no difference.
- bouncycastle 7y ago
  Seems like we have forgotten all about Snowden.
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- lone_haxx0r 7y ago
  So has the US.
- dx034 7y ago
  For the EU it's really just the question if you want to be spied on by the US or by China. In recent years, trade with China has probably helped the economy much more than trade with the US. At the same time, China (while certainly acting out of self interest), is somewhat predictable in their actions. Europeans are really critical of China and their policies (esp. their human rights record). But they don't like the US that much more (apart from the Brits) and with a struggling economy you really don't want to make them choose between money and ideology.
  - mantas 7y ago
    As a european, I'll take US over China any day. Anti-US circlejerk is mostly confined in Western europe (sans Brits). Eastern europe has totally different sentiment.
  - slantaclaus 7y ago
    Correct me if I’m wrong but if you get an Apple phone you’ll be spied on by no one. Relatively speaking, of course.
  - hollerith 7y ago
    >China, is somewhat predictable in their actions Yeah, wow, it must be completely impossible for someone without decades of US residency or decades of intense interest in the US to understand the US government! I like to flatter myself that after 58 years of living in the US, I have recently started to be able to predict most of the major decisions of the US government. (Youtube videos of speeches and interviews by Peter Zeihan and George Friedman helped me in my understanding. Most of the senior editors and reporters at, e.g., the New York Times and the Washington Post, although passionately interested in the US government, have only a shallow understanding of it IMO.)
- glenndebacker 7y ago
  You can easily find examples where you can replace China with the US. And now with the current American leadership I can't say personally that I trust the US more than China at this point.
  - mantas 7y ago
    Would you prefer daily life like in US or China?
    - gecho 7y ago
      lol you watched too many hollywood movies growing up that you can't imagine daily life an another country being as good or better than living in America you silly goose
      - Vinnl 7y ago
        They weren't talking about simply any other country, but China specifically. In terms of government interference and freedom of thought, at this point I think the US is still pretty clearly the better place. From the point of view of the EU, though, it is edging closer to China.
      - mantas 7y ago
        I'll take cleaner air and no social score thankyouverymuch.
    - ionised 7y ago
      I wouldn't want to live in either country, but for entirely different reasons for each.
    - ezconnect 7y ago
      Why would you live on those countries? US taxation law implementation is like the Chinese suppression of your other freedom.
    - kgabis 7y ago
      I haven't been to US, but all my friends that visited it were quite disappointed with quality of life there (coming from Poland). But I've recently spent a few weeks in China and I'm really impressed with how advanced it is in terms of infrastructure and technology, I don't think US or even EU is anywhere near where China is right now. So it's not as simple a comparison as it first appears.
- tooltalk 7y ago
  Yep, and China has been playing the same game with its neighboring countries for a while. Remember how China responded when South Korea brought THAAD for missile defense?
- ramblerman 7y ago
  > It's a China vs. the world issue. China has been spying on everyone, for years. Political, military, commercial, makes no difference. So has the US though, even on it's allies as Snowden showed us.
vxNsr 7y ago
That's kinda hilarious coming from an australian. a country in which some companies have said they will no longer trust their employees due to the new law enforcement bills passed. In addition australia has the same stance as nearly every western country when it comes to Huawei, namely "only we get to spy on our people, so get out" I'm sure that the EU/australia/the west is breathing a sigh of relief that Trump did this instead of forcing them to make up some more draconian law about foreign device mfg that would have unintended consequences.
JauntyHatAngle 7y ago
Out of interest, what phone can you get that is not US or google related?
- ionised 7y ago
  A simple flip/slide phone.
- ezconnect 7y ago
  Samsung. Google services is just there because I think its required on their contract. All other services offered by Google is duplicated with their own version and variation.

by timkly 7y ago

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PixyMisa 7y ago

It's a China vs. the world issue. China has been spying on everyone, for years. Political, military, commercial, makes no difference.

bouncycastle 7y ago
Seems like we have forgotten all about Snowden.
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lone_haxx0r 7y ago
So has the US.
dx034 7y ago
For the EU it's really just the question if you want to be spied on by the US or by China. In recent years, trade with China has probably helped the economy much more than trade with the US. At the same time, China (while certainly acting out of self interest), is somewhat predictable in their actions. Europeans are really critical of China and their policies (esp. their human rights record). But they don't like the US that much more (apart from the Brits) and with a struggling economy you really don't want to make them choose between money and ideology.
- mantas 7y ago
  As a european, I'll take US over China any day. Anti-US circlejerk is mostly confined in Western europe (sans Brits). Eastern europe has totally different sentiment.
- slantaclaus 7y ago
  Correct me if I’m wrong but if you get an Apple phone you’ll be spied on by no one. Relatively speaking, of course.
- hollerith 7y ago
  >China, is somewhat predictable in their actions Yeah, wow, it must be completely impossible for someone without decades of US residency or decades of intense interest in the US to understand the US government! I like to flatter myself that after 58 years of living in the US, I have recently started to be able to predict most of the major decisions of the US government. (Youtube videos of speeches and interviews by Peter Zeihan and George Friedman helped me in my understanding. Most of the senior editors and reporters at, e.g., the New York Times and the Washington Post, although passionately interested in the US government, have only a shallow understanding of it IMO.)
glenndebacker 7y ago
You can easily find examples where you can replace China with the US. And now with the current American leadership I can't say personally that I trust the US more than China at this point.
- mantas 7y ago
  Would you prefer daily life like in US or China?
  - gecho 7y ago
    lol you watched too many hollywood movies growing up that you can't imagine daily life an another country being as good or better than living in America you silly goose
    - Vinnl 7y ago
      They weren't talking about simply any other country, but China specifically. In terms of government interference and freedom of thought, at this point I think the US is still pretty clearly the better place. From the point of view of the EU, though, it is edging closer to China.
    - mantas 7y ago
      I'll take cleaner air and no social score thankyouverymuch.
  - ionised 7y ago
    I wouldn't want to live in either country, but for entirely different reasons for each.
  - ezconnect 7y ago
    Why would you live on those countries? US taxation law implementation is like the Chinese suppression of your other freedom.
  - kgabis 7y ago
    I haven't been to US, but all my friends that visited it were quite disappointed with quality of life there (coming from Poland). But I've recently spent a few weeks in China and I'm really impressed with how advanced it is in terms of infrastructure and technology, I don't think US or even EU is anywhere near where China is right now. So it's not as simple a comparison as it first appears.
tooltalk 7y ago
Yep, and China has been playing the same game with its neighboring countries for a while. Remember how China responded when South Korea brought THAAD for missile defense?
ramblerman 7y ago
> It's a China vs. the world issue. China has been spying on everyone, for years. Political, military, commercial, makes no difference. So has the US though, even on it's allies as Snowden showed us.

vxNsr 7y ago

That's kinda hilarious coming from an australian. a country in which some companies have said they will no longer trust their employees due to the new law enforcement bills passed. In addition australia has the same stance as nearly every western country when it comes to Huawei, namely "only we get to spy on our people, so get out" I'm sure that the EU/australia/the west is breathing a sigh of relief that Trump did this instead of forcing them to make up some more draconian law about foreign device mfg that would have unintended consequences.

JauntyHatAngle 7y ago

Out of interest, what phone can you get that is not US or google related?

ionised 7y ago
A simple flip/slide phone.
ezconnect 7y ago
Samsung. Google services is just there because I think its required on their contract. All other services offered by Google is duplicated with their own version and variation.