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In what world is Huawei a leading premium device manufacturer? Do you have a source?

by avocado4 7y ago

unixhero 7y ago
He is right.
- ksec 7y ago
  Source? And how do you define premium? The sentence implies leading as in market shares, and not technological.
  - cromwellian 7y ago
    Huawei p30 leads Apple on camera quality by far. It has premium build quality and battery life. In market share they lead Apple in China, and they ship more units. Trying to act like they’re a low end bit player is ludicrous. They’re the Samsung of China now, and on track to overtake Samsung globally.
arebours 7y ago
https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS44188018 https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS44188018
- avocado4 7y ago
  This doesn't show they are a leading premium smartphone manufacturer. This says they are a 2nd largest smartphone manufacturer. Leading premium manufacturer means largest volume of premium smartphones sold. Huawei doesn't sell a lot of P30 (although I agree it's a premium device).
  - ksec 7y ago
    This. And I am surprised at the amount of downvote and I quote "an assertion that is a fairly well-known fact."
    - cromwellian 7y ago
      Where’s your citation on P30 sales figures? If apple doesn’t sell as many iPhone X’s as P30s in China does that make Apple not a premium manufacturer if most of their sales are lower end? https://www.huaweicentral.com/huawei-p30-series-single-day-shipments-are-more-than-100000-units-in-china/amp/ https://www.huaweicentral.com/huawei-p30-series-single-day-s... https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/01/huawei-ahead-of-apple-in-q1-2019-smartphone-shipments.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/01/huawei-ahead-of-apple-in-q1-... In 2018, they shipped 16 million P20s in 9 months. And they shipped 100,000 in a single day which could translate to 3 million units a month or 27 million in 9 months, but even if they ship 20 million in 9 months which is 25% more than the P20 you can’t wave you hands and act like no one is buying these phones.
      - ksec 7y ago
        Because Apple report their Smartphone ASP, ( at least in iPhone X era ) And you will need to look up even the worst of iPhone X estimate shipment figures. No one, me or the previous one who replied said anything about P20 not selling. Nor the P30. It is simply not leading premium Smartphone, where Smartphone here is inclusive of iOS. Not by commonly used matrix, where the word leading would directly referred to market ASP and not leading as in technically. And I said this again, it would be correct if the sentence was leading premium Android Smartphone. Or Leading Smartphone ( Excluding Android ) or Leading Android would also be correct. And I am out.
Mikeb85 7y ago
Asking for a source for an assertion that is a fairly well-known fact is simply lazy.
- ksec 7y ago
  Fact? Huawei is #2 or #1 by unit shipment. That doesn't immediately make them a "leading" Premium Smartphone maker. I could sell 200M of $200 Phones and 10M of $700 Phones. Would that make them leading? Would that make them premium?
gsich 7y ago
In this one.
cromwellian 7y ago
Do you consider Samsung a premium Android manufacturer? I assume you're not defining "premium" == "Apple". If you admit that there are premium Android phones, and that Samsung is one of the manufacturers, well, Huawei is on track to surpass Samsung in units sold, AND it has the best reviewed camera. It blows away the iPhone X series, especially at low light, but also produces incredible night/low light protography beating even the Google Pixel Night Sight mode. in China, they are now the most expensive phones, people are willing to pay more $$$ to get the top of the line Huawei than an iPhone which used to be the previous "look am me, I'm rich and trendy" device to own there. It's one reason why iPhone sales in China have declined. There's no world in which you can't claim they are not a world leading phone manufacturer and that their devices aren't premium. Sure, the heavy modded Android sucks and is probably spyware and you can't get vanilla android on it, but hardware wise, it is premium. The P30 Pro runs for almost $1000. People who live in the US kind of live in a reality distortion field around Apple, and are somewhat blind to what is happening in Europe and Asia. And this complacence is a pretty bad way to evaluate your competitors. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Huawei-threatening-Samsung-for-global-smartphone-market-share-lead.373981.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Huawei-threatening-Samsung-for... https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/12/18221598/huawei-apple-china-sales-nationalism-patriotism-competition https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/12/18221598/huawei-apple-chi... https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/10/18285123/huawei-p30-pro-review-periscope-camera-zoom-android-phone https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/10/18285123/huawei-p30-pro-r...
- avocado4 7y ago
  I agree they are a world leading manufacturer (#2 behind Samsung), and I agree that some of their devices are premium. I'm just saying they are not a leading premium manufacturer. Those are 2 different things. Apple and Samsung are by far ahead in volume sold for premium devices globally.
- ksec 7y ago
  Would Xiaomi be a leading premium manufacture if they had a devices running for $1000, when their Smartphone ASP is below $200? >People who live in the US kind of live in a reality distortion field around Apple, and are somewhat blind to what is happening in Europe and Asia. And this complacence is a pretty bad way to evaluate your competitors. It isn't RDF, it is "leading premium manufacture" does mean what you think it means. It would be more accurate if it was "leading premium Android manufacturers".
ulfw 7y ago
In a world outside the US, where the Huawei P30 Pro has the best camera combo, one of the fastest processors and a premium. build (and price).

In what world is Huawei a leading premium device manufacturer? Do you have a source?

unixhero 7y ago

He is right.

ksec 7y ago
Source? And how do you define premium? The sentence implies leading as in market shares, and not technological.
- cromwellian 7y ago
  Huawei p30 leads Apple on camera quality by far. It has premium build quality and battery life. In market share they lead Apple in China, and they ship more units. Trying to act like they’re a low end bit player is ludicrous. They’re the Samsung of China now, and on track to overtake Samsung globally.

arebours 7y ago

https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS44188018 https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS44188018

avocado4 7y ago
This doesn't show they are a leading premium smartphone manufacturer. This says they are a 2nd largest smartphone manufacturer. Leading premium manufacturer means largest volume of premium smartphones sold. Huawei doesn't sell a lot of P30 (although I agree it's a premium device).
- ksec 7y ago
  This. And I am surprised at the amount of downvote and I quote "an assertion that is a fairly well-known fact."
  - cromwellian 7y ago
    Where’s your citation on P30 sales figures? If apple doesn’t sell as many iPhone X’s as P30s in China does that make Apple not a premium manufacturer if most of their sales are lower end? https://www.huaweicentral.com/huawei-p30-series-single-day-shipments-are-more-than-100000-units-in-china/amp/ https://www.huaweicentral.com/huawei-p30-series-single-day-s... https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/01/huawei-ahead-of-apple-in-q1-2019-smartphone-shipments.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/01/huawei-ahead-of-apple-in-q1-... In 2018, they shipped 16 million P20s in 9 months. And they shipped 100,000 in a single day which could translate to 3 million units a month or 27 million in 9 months, but even if they ship 20 million in 9 months which is 25% more than the P20 you can’t wave you hands and act like no one is buying these phones.
    - ksec 7y ago
      Because Apple report their Smartphone ASP, ( at least in iPhone X era ) And you will need to look up even the worst of iPhone X estimate shipment figures. No one, me or the previous one who replied said anything about P20 not selling. Nor the P30. It is simply not leading premium Smartphone, where Smartphone here is inclusive of iOS. Not by commonly used matrix, where the word leading would directly referred to market ASP and not leading as in technically. And I said this again, it would be correct if the sentence was leading premium Android Smartphone. Or Leading Smartphone ( Excluding Android ) or Leading Android would also be correct. And I am out.

Mikeb85 7y ago

Asking for a source for an assertion that is a fairly well-known fact is simply lazy.

ksec 7y ago
Fact? Huawei is #2 or #1 by unit shipment. That doesn't immediately make them a "leading" Premium Smartphone maker. I could sell 200M of $200 Phones and 10M of $700 Phones. Would that make them leading? Would that make them premium?

gsich 7y ago

In this one.

cromwellian 7y ago

Do you consider Samsung a premium Android manufacturer? I assume you're not defining "premium" == "Apple". If you admit that there are premium Android phones, and that Samsung is one of the manufacturers, well, Huawei is on track to surpass Samsung in units sold, AND it has the best reviewed camera. It blows away the iPhone X series, especially at low light, but also produces incredible night/low light protography beating even the Google Pixel Night Sight mode. in China, they are now the most expensive phones, people are willing to pay more $$$ to get the top of the line Huawei than an iPhone which used to be the previous "look am me, I'm rich and trendy" device to own there. It's one reason why iPhone sales in China have declined. There's no world in which you can't claim they are not a world leading phone manufacturer and that their devices aren't premium. Sure, the heavy modded Android sucks and is probably spyware and you can't get vanilla android on it, but hardware wise, it is premium. The P30 Pro runs for almost $1000. People who live in the US kind of live in a reality distortion field around Apple, and are somewhat blind to what is happening in Europe and Asia. And this complacence is a pretty bad way to evaluate your competitors. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Huawei-threatening-Samsung-for-global-smartphone-market-share-lead.373981.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Huawei-threatening-Samsung-for... https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/12/18221598/huawei-apple-china-sales-nationalism-patriotism-competition https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/12/18221598/huawei-apple-chi... https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/10/18285123/huawei-p30-pro-review-periscope-camera-zoom-android-phone https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/10/18285123/huawei-p30-pro-r...

avocado4 7y ago
I agree they are a world leading manufacturer (#2 behind Samsung), and I agree that some of their devices are premium. I'm just saying they are not a leading premium manufacturer. Those are 2 different things. Apple and Samsung are by far ahead in volume sold for premium devices globally.
ksec 7y ago
Would Xiaomi be a leading premium manufacture if they had a devices running for $1000, when their Smartphone ASP is below $200? >People who live in the US kind of live in a reality distortion field around Apple, and are somewhat blind to what is happening in Europe and Asia. And this complacence is a pretty bad way to evaluate your competitors. It isn't RDF, it is "leading premium manufacture" does mean what you think it means. It would be more accurate if it was "leading premium Android manufacturers".

ulfw 7y ago

In a world outside the US, where the Huawei P30 Pro has the best camera combo, one of the fastest processors and a premium. build (and price).