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You do know that China actively has concentration camps, right? They use data and tech they've stolen to do it. You really think that's the same as Facebook ser

You do know that China actively has concentration camps, right? They use data and tech they've stolen to do it. You really think that's the same as Facebook serving you ads? Give me a break.

oblio 7y ago
Well, from his perspective, as long as he's never going to China, do those camps matter?
- oblio 7y ago
  I like the downvotes for expressing a cynical perspective :)))
pjmlp 7y ago
Like Guantanamo?
- tlear 7y ago
  Anyone who ended up in Guntanamo would have had a bullet to head in PRC, they would not bother with a camp. It is for hundreds of thousands of undesirables(like Muslims etc). When USA ships it’s Muslims into a camp in Nevada desert and starts re-educating them let us know
  - thro0239420342 7y ago
    They are called, Native Americans.
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    As if CIA and co doesn't do the same. So how is Geneva convention working on there? Your list of undesirables is just sad.
ubercow13 7y ago
They use data stolen from western users of their phones to aid in the operation of concentration camps? You're saying that by giving Chinese companies their data by using a Chinese phone, GP should consider themselves complicit in helping China run their concentration camps? What?
roboys 7y ago
50% of US inmates (prison slave labor participants) are African American, sounds pretty concentrated here as well. I don't believe the whole continent of Africa has 1.5 million Africans in jail, this is a uniquely American outcome.
megaremote 7y ago
Ok, yes, that is true. But the USA commits war crimes and doesn't want to be brought before court over them. So I should stop using US goods if I gave a shit about human rights, right?
- roca 7y ago
  Throwing up your hands and saying "everyone's bad" is just moral laziness. I'm not American and it's obvious China is far worse than the USA in terms of human rights.
  - gonvaled 7y ago
    Not really if you are not a citizen of said country. Or to put it in numbers: - 80% of the world population is not Chinese, and are not affected by China. - 95% of the world population is not American, and are very much affected by the US.
dang 7y ago
This comment crosses into nationalistic and political flamewar and that is not ok here. No (I sense I need to add), I'm not defending concentration camps, just defending HN against burning itself to a crisp. If you want to participate on HN, please contribute to thoughtful conversation. "Concentration camps [...] give me a break" does not qualify. Moreover, we've had to warn you about this exact thing before. Would you mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the spirit of this site more to heart? Our hope is not to be one more place on the internet where people bring bags of clubs to bash each other with. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19955289 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19955289 and marked it off-topic.
- partiallypro 7y ago
  I don't see how pointing out a country has concentration camps (reported by multiple outlets, like the NYTs) is "nationalistic," or against the spirit of the site. In fact the story has been reported here...A LOT. https://hn.algolia.com/?query=china%20muslims&sort=byPopularity&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?query=china%20muslims&sort=byPopular... https://hn.algolia.com/?query=china%20concentration&sort=byPopularity&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?query=china%20concentration&sort=byP... I don't see anyone being "warned" about their -submissions- on this very topic. Maybe I'm missing something, but it feels like this "policy" is not evenly enforced. In fact a US political topic in regards to rights is currently on the front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19959428 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19959428
  - dang 7y ago
    I'm aware of how often the story has been submitted and also how often people bring it up in comments, including where it breaks this site guideline to do so: "Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html The issue is that your comment was taking the thread further into flamewar. That's not ok here. Is the policy evenly enforced? No, because we don't see everything. That doesn't make it ok to break the rules though.

You do know that China actively has concentration camps, right? They use data and tech they've stolen to do it. You really think that's the same as Facebook serving you ads? Give me a break.

oblio 7y ago

Well, from his perspective, as long as he's never going to China, do those camps matter?

oblio 7y ago
I like the downvotes for expressing a cynical perspective :)))

pjmlp 7y ago

Like Guantanamo?

tlear 7y ago
Anyone who ended up in Guntanamo would have had a bullet to head in PRC, they would not bother with a camp. It is for hundreds of thousands of undesirables(like Muslims etc). When USA ships it’s Muslims into a camp in Nevada desert and starts re-educating them let us know
- thro0239420342 7y ago
  They are called, Native Americans.
- pjmlp 7y ago
  As if CIA and co doesn't do the same. So how is Geneva convention working on there? Your list of undesirables is just sad.

ubercow13 7y ago

They use data stolen from western users of their phones to aid in the operation of concentration camps? You're saying that by giving Chinese companies their data by using a Chinese phone, GP should consider themselves complicit in helping China run their concentration camps? What?

roboys 7y ago

50% of US inmates (prison slave labor participants) are African American, sounds pretty concentrated here as well. I don't believe the whole continent of Africa has 1.5 million Africans in jail, this is a uniquely American outcome.

megaremote 7y ago

Ok, yes, that is true. But the USA commits war crimes and doesn't want to be brought before court over them. So I should stop using US goods if I gave a shit about human rights, right?

roca 7y ago
Throwing up your hands and saying "everyone's bad" is just moral laziness. I'm not American and it's obvious China is far worse than the USA in terms of human rights.
- gonvaled 7y ago
  Not really if you are not a citizen of said country. Or to put it in numbers: - 80% of the world population is not Chinese, and are not affected by China. - 95% of the world population is not American, and are very much affected by the US.

dang 7y ago

This comment crosses into nationalistic and political flamewar and that is not ok here. No (I sense I need to add), I'm not defending concentration camps, just defending HN against burning itself to a crisp. If you want to participate on HN, please contribute to thoughtful conversation. "Concentration camps [...] give me a break" does not qualify. Moreover, we've had to warn you about this exact thing before. Would you mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the spirit of this site more to heart? Our hope is not to be one more place on the internet where people bring bags of clubs to bash each other with. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19955289 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19955289 and marked it off-topic.

partiallypro 7y ago
I don't see how pointing out a country has concentration camps (reported by multiple outlets, like the NYTs) is "nationalistic," or against the spirit of the site. In fact the story has been reported here...A LOT. https://hn.algolia.com/?query=china%20muslims&sort=byPopularity&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?query=china%20muslims&sort=byPopular... https://hn.algolia.com/?query=china%20concentration&sort=byPopularity&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?query=china%20concentration&sort=byP... I don't see anyone being "warned" about their -submissions- on this very topic. Maybe I'm missing something, but it feels like this "policy" is not evenly enforced. In fact a US political topic in regards to rights is currently on the front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19959428 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19959428
- dang 7y ago
  I'm aware of how often the story has been submitted and also how often people bring it up in comments, including where it breaks this site guideline to do so: "Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html The issue is that your comment was taking the thread further into flamewar. That's not ok here. Is the policy evenly enforced? No, because we don't see everything. That doesn't make it ok to break the rules though.