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You'd rather have car companies release beta software to millions of cars than stick with the status quo? This isn't the Windows 10 Insider Preview. Cars can ki

You'd rather have car companies release beta software to millions of cars than stick with the status quo? This isn't the Windows 10 Insider Preview. Cars can kill people, and production vehicles should never contain beta software, which is beta because it's buggy/untested/unreliable.

quotemstr 7y ago
No software is perfect --- and that goes for the wetware in our heads too. Why would you want people to keep dying on the roads just so we can avoid shipping imperfect-but-still-superhuman autonomous driving vehicles? We need a more nuanced outlook than "Disengagement! NO RELEASE!".
- frosted-flakes 7y ago
  Do you think beta software belongs in airplanes too? We sure could do with a lot more 737 MAX incidents.
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  - CamperBob2 7y ago
    That point might actually carry some weight if we lost 30,000 people in air crashes every year, instead of roughly zero.
    - 6gvONxR4sf7o 7y ago
      Plane crashes are so rare because of the risk aversion. It's perfectly relevant.
      - CamperBob2 7y ago
        In any case, that degree of risk aversion is unachievable, unaffordable, and unproductive when discussing personal automobiles. Cars are killing people now. It is not reasonable to wait for some Utopian future where every car has the ability to pilot itself with NASA-grade software. Human drivers are already "moving fast and breaking things," and they're not getting any better at it.
        frosted-flakes 7y ago
        But we're not waiting. Cars today are absolutely crammed with automated safety features. Far more than the airbags and ABS on my 20 year old VW. Think automatic collision avoidance, blind zone detectors, traction control, lane departure warnings, back-up cameras, adaptive cruise control, and more that I've probably never heard of yet.[0] To think that we're waiting until perfect level 5 automated driving before we release it to the public is ridiculous. As the article clearly states, > Most OEMs are now more forthright about the fact that autonomy will be a succession of small, graduated steps. We didn't go straight to landing on the moon. Neither will we go straight to autonomous driving, or flying cars. Flying cars will never happen, because there are no gradual steps between flying and not flying, but software can be gradually improved. That doesn't mean running untested beta software in cars though. [0] Also, advanced crumple zones, numerous airbags, proper safety restraints, crash guards on transport trailers, high-tech road makings, restrictive driving tests, and strict laws on driving while intoxicated or distracted.
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quotemstr 7y ago

No software is perfect --- and that goes for the wetware in our heads too. Why would you want people to keep dying on the roads just so we can avoid shipping imperfect-but-still-superhuman autonomous driving vehicles? We need a more nuanced outlook than "Disengagement! NO RELEASE!".

frosted-flakes 7y ago
Do you think beta software belongs in airplanes too? We sure could do with a lot more 737 MAX incidents.
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- CamperBob2 7y ago
  That point might actually carry some weight if we lost 30,000 people in air crashes every year, instead of roughly zero.
  - 6gvONxR4sf7o 7y ago
    Plane crashes are so rare because of the risk aversion. It's perfectly relevant.
    - CamperBob2 7y ago
      In any case, that degree of risk aversion is unachievable, unaffordable, and unproductive when discussing personal automobiles. Cars are killing people now. It is not reasonable to wait for some Utopian future where every car has the ability to pilot itself with NASA-grade software. Human drivers are already "moving fast and breaking things," and they're not getting any better at it.
      - frosted-flakes 7y ago
        But we're not waiting. Cars today are absolutely crammed with automated safety features. Far more than the airbags and ABS on my 20 year old VW. Think automatic collision avoidance, blind zone detectors, traction control, lane departure warnings, back-up cameras, adaptive cruise control, and more that I've probably never heard of yet.[0] To think that we're waiting until perfect level 5 automated driving before we release it to the public is ridiculous. As the article clearly states, > Most OEMs are now more forthright about the fact that autonomy will be a succession of small, graduated steps. We didn't go straight to landing on the moon. Neither will we go straight to autonomous driving, or flying cars. Flying cars will never happen, because there are no gradual steps between flying and not flying, but software can be gradually improved. That doesn't mean running untested beta software in cars though. [0] Also, advanced crumple zones, numerous airbags, proper safety restraints, crash guards on transport trailers, high-tech road makings, restrictive driving tests, and strict laws on driving while intoxicated or distracted.
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