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I would like to buy this if it supports ECC memory

walterbell 7y ago
Asrock generally supports ECC with Ryzen CPUs. APUs and Athlon 200GE ($55) do not support ECC. You will need SODIMM (laptop) ECC RAM. Supermicro is now shipping Epyc 3000 mainboards with ECC, e.g. 8 cores at 30W TDP with quad NIC and quad SATA.
- Dunedan 7y ago
  > Asrock generally supports ECC with Ryzen CPUs. APUs and Athlon 200GE ($55) do not support ECC. Do you have a source for that? My current understanding is that Asrock only officially supports ECC RAM for Ryzen Pro APUs/CPUs, but non-Pro ones work fine with ECC enabled as well.
  - FPGAhacker 7y ago
    Given that there is no chipset in the way, what would stop the use of ecc if the cpu supports it? Are they electrically different?
  - walterbell 7y ago
    Sorry, can't find a definitive reference, so I'll withdraw the claim. Athlon 200GE Pro (for OEMs) supports ECC.
sneak 7y ago
Out of curiosity, what is your use case/application that requires ECC memory?
- walterbell 7y ago
  One use case for ECC is ZFS.
  - Gracana 7y ago
    ECC is probably less important for ZFS than it is for just about any other filesystem.
    - hestefisk 7y ago
      That’s simply not true. ECC is key to avoid bit rot.
      - sneak 7y ago
        ZFS includes strong checksums over stored data. Bit rot is more protected against with ZFS on a non-ecc system than most other filesystems on a system with a theoretical/impossible 0% memory error rate.
        walterbell 7y ago
        And ZFS+ECC is better than ZFS without ECC.
        hestefisk 7y ago
        Exactly my point. Then why the need to down vote my comment? The statement that ECC is irrelevant for zfs is blatantly incorrect. There can be bit rot in ZFS checksum values without ECC. Ask Allan Jude if need be.
        rhinoceraptor 7y ago
        It's not irrelevant, but you should still use ZFS if you care about your data, even if you don't have ECC.
- chithanh 7y ago
  Any use case where you cannot afford data corruption requires ECC memory. A single bit flip in a JPEG image can totally ruin it (and you might not notice at first, because the thumbnail doesn't change, allowing the corruption to spread to backups...) Particularly susceptible to memory errors are applications that keep data cached in RAM over longer periods of time, such as file / database servers.
IronBacon 7y ago
Don't quote me but AMD APUs (Raven Ridge) shouldn't have ECC support, unless the Pro variant. I've read somewhere it's a BIOS/AGESA thing. One of the first Google hits: https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/hardware/processors-memory/1017727-apparently-raven-ridge-apus-don-t-support-ecc https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/hardware/processors-me...

Asrock generally supports ECC with Ryzen CPUs. APUs and Athlon 200GE ($55) do not support ECC. You will need SODIMM (laptop) ECC RAM. Supermicro is now shipping Epyc 3000 mainboards with ECC, e.g. 8 cores at 30W TDP with quad NIC and quad SATA.

Dunedan 7y ago
> Asrock generally supports ECC with Ryzen CPUs. APUs and Athlon 200GE ($55) do not support ECC. Do you have a source for that? My current understanding is that Asrock only officially supports ECC RAM for Ryzen Pro APUs/CPUs, but non-Pro ones work fine with ECC enabled as well.
- FPGAhacker 7y ago
  Given that there is no chipset in the way, what would stop the use of ecc if the cpu supports it? Are they electrically different?
- walterbell 7y ago
  Sorry, can't find a definitive reference, so I'll withdraw the claim. Athlon 200GE Pro (for OEMs) supports ECC.

sneak 7y ago

Out of curiosity, what is your use case/application that requires ECC memory?

walterbell 7y ago
One use case for ECC is ZFS.
- Gracana 7y ago
  ECC is probably less important for ZFS than it is for just about any other filesystem.
  - hestefisk 7y ago
    That’s simply not true. ECC is key to avoid bit rot.
    - sneak 7y ago
      ZFS includes strong checksums over stored data. Bit rot is more protected against with ZFS on a non-ecc system than most other filesystems on a system with a theoretical/impossible 0% memory error rate.
      - walterbell 7y ago
        And ZFS+ECC is better than ZFS without ECC.
        hestefisk 7y ago
        Exactly my point. Then why the need to down vote my comment? The statement that ECC is irrelevant for zfs is blatantly incorrect. There can be bit rot in ZFS checksum values without ECC. Ask Allan Jude if need be.
        rhinoceraptor 7y ago
        It's not irrelevant, but you should still use ZFS if you care about your data, even if you don't have ECC.
chithanh 7y ago
Any use case where you cannot afford data corruption requires ECC memory. A single bit flip in a JPEG image can totally ruin it (and you might not notice at first, because the thumbnail doesn't change, allowing the corruption to spread to backups...) Particularly susceptible to memory errors are applications that keep data cached in RAM over longer periods of time, such as file / database servers.

IronBacon 7y ago

Don't quote me but AMD APUs (Raven Ridge) shouldn't have ECC support, unless the Pro variant. I've read somewhere it's a BIOS/AGESA thing. One of the first Google hits: https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/hardware/processors-memory/1017727-apparently-raven-ridge-apus-don-t-support-ecc https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/hardware/processors-me...