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Look mate, as a fellow Slav from Slovenia I can assure you all our common ancestors stumbled here way too late to have anything to do with Etruscans. And then

Look mate, as a fellow Slav from Slovenia I can assure you all our common ancestors stumbled here way too late to have anything to do with Etruscans. And then there are also excellent arguments made in other comments.

new2627 7y ago
You are right, but just to nitpick, linguistic ancestors don't always overlap with genetic ancestors. It could well be that your linguistic ones stumbled there late, whereas your genetic ones lived there for thousands and thousands of years longer. A handful of people can convince many to change language, genetic change is much slower. This is one reason why people in the region are genetically relatively similar, whether they speak slavic, germanic, finno-ugric, or latin languages. For all these reasons, if etruscans once lived where you live now, it would actually be rather surprising if you had no connection whatsoever to them.
- Mediterraneo10 7y ago
  > if etruscans once lived where you live now There is no evidence that Etruscans ever lived where the OP does now. All evidence we have about Etruscans points to a people living in the Mediterranean region, not further north in the Balkans. Note that although the article here is about a linen book in Zagreb, the Zagreb Museum was only the final resting place of an artifact created elsewhere; it does not mean that Etruscans had anything to do with the Balkans.
  - new2627 7y ago
    I see, you are right, but I was answering to a more general point made by OP, that if those who speak your language arrived late, you could still have a connection with those who lived there before.
    - microwavecamera 7y ago
      Culture and genetics are not necessarily related. Unless they still happen to speak Etruscan, sharing a little DNA with ancient Etruscans doesn't make them "Etruscan".
      - ithkuil 7y ago
        Toponyms often survive after a new language fully replaces the language of a people. BTW Serbia is not really "north" in the Balkans. But still, it's pretty far away: on the opposite side of the Adriatic see and of the entire Italian peninsula (etruria is on the tyrrhenian coast)
tx-0 7y ago
the Veneti (ancestors to modern Slavs) lived around Veneto while the Etruscans lived in Tuscany. Not that there was not a lot more mixing and migrating over the years, but still.
- Mediterraneo10 7y ago
  > the Veneti (ancestors to modern Slavs) lived around Veneto This is inaccurate. The ancestors of the Slavs spring, according to the consensus view, from around where Ukraine, Poland, and Belarus meet. So, very far from Venice, let alone central Italy. We have attestations of the language that was actually spoken around the Venetic region[0], it is not Slavic. Why the early Slavs were often labeled with an ethnonym resembling Veneti is a complex affair[1], but it does not mean that the Slavs had any meaningful contact with central Italy. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetic_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetic_language [1] Michael Weiss, “Veneti or Venetes? Observations on a widespread Indo-European tribal name”, in: Farnah: Indo-Iranian and Indo-European Studies in Honor of Sasha Lubotsky. Ann Arbor: Beech Stave Press, 2018.
  - tx-0 7y ago
    my source was also wikipedia; let's settle this by you changing wikipedia and making your changes stick. see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vistula_Veneti#Roman_historical_sources https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vistula_Veneti#Roman_historica...

new2627 7y ago

You are right, but just to nitpick, linguistic ancestors don't always overlap with genetic ancestors. It could well be that your linguistic ones stumbled there late, whereas your genetic ones lived there for thousands and thousands of years longer. A handful of people can convince many to change language, genetic change is much slower. This is one reason why people in the region are genetically relatively similar, whether they speak slavic, germanic, finno-ugric, or latin languages. For all these reasons, if etruscans once lived where you live now, it would actually be rather surprising if you had no connection whatsoever to them.

Mediterraneo10 7y ago
> if etruscans once lived where you live now There is no evidence that Etruscans ever lived where the OP does now. All evidence we have about Etruscans points to a people living in the Mediterranean region, not further north in the Balkans. Note that although the article here is about a linen book in Zagreb, the Zagreb Museum was only the final resting place of an artifact created elsewhere; it does not mean that Etruscans had anything to do with the Balkans.
- new2627 7y ago
  I see, you are right, but I was answering to a more general point made by OP, that if those who speak your language arrived late, you could still have a connection with those who lived there before.
  - microwavecamera 7y ago
    Culture and genetics are not necessarily related. Unless they still happen to speak Etruscan, sharing a little DNA with ancient Etruscans doesn't make them "Etruscan".
    - ithkuil 7y ago
      Toponyms often survive after a new language fully replaces the language of a people. BTW Serbia is not really "north" in the Balkans. But still, it's pretty far away: on the opposite side of the Adriatic see and of the entire Italian peninsula (etruria is on the tyrrhenian coast)

tx-0 7y ago

the Veneti (ancestors to modern Slavs) lived around Veneto while the Etruscans lived in Tuscany. Not that there was not a lot more mixing and migrating over the years, but still.

Mediterraneo10 7y ago
> the Veneti (ancestors to modern Slavs) lived around Veneto This is inaccurate. The ancestors of the Slavs spring, according to the consensus view, from around where Ukraine, Poland, and Belarus meet. So, very far from Venice, let alone central Italy. We have attestations of the language that was actually spoken around the Venetic region[0], it is not Slavic. Why the early Slavs were often labeled with an ethnonym resembling Veneti is a complex affair[1], but it does not mean that the Slavs had any meaningful contact with central Italy. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetic_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetic_language [1] Michael Weiss, “Veneti or Venetes? Observations on a widespread Indo-European tribal name”, in: Farnah: Indo-Iranian and Indo-European Studies in Honor of Sasha Lubotsky. Ann Arbor: Beech Stave Press, 2018.
- tx-0 7y ago
  my source was also wikipedia; let's settle this by you changing wikipedia and making your changes stick. see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vistula_Veneti#Roman_historical_sources https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vistula_Veneti#Roman_historica...