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> Things got even uglier when Damore sympathizers leaked comments made on the message boards by Fong-Jones, a trans woman, and other Google diversity advocates
by deogeo 7y ago
> Things got even uglier when Damore sympathizers leaked comments made on the message boards by Fong-Jones, a trans woman, and other Google diversity advocates to right-wing news sites. [this fortune.com article]
This got me curious, so I tried searching for these leaked comments, while avoiding far-right news sites. This is what I found:
> Diversity advocates at Google – including the Mountain View tech giant's highest-ranking inclusion officer – are being targeted by a small group of colleagues in an internal culture war, according to a new report. [...] screenshots from Google internal discussion boards have been leaked and posted on far-right websites including Breitbart and the blog Vox Popoli, which espouses white supremacy. [1]
> 15 current Google employees accuse coworkers of inciting outsiders to harass rank-and-file employees who are minority advocates, including queer and transgender employees. Since August, screenshots from Google’s internal discussion forums, including personal information, have been displayed on sites including Breitbart and Vox Popoli, a blog run by alt-right author Theodore Beale, who goes by the name Vox Day. [2]
> Their personal information and comments expressed in internal company forums have been leaked to the public and published on far-right websites, leading to mistreatment by online vigilantes. [..] "We need to see concrete and meaningful action," Fong-Jones said. [..] Chuck Johnson, who was kicked off Twitter in 2015 after tweeting about wanting to "take out" civil rights activist DeRay McKesson [3]
> Their tactics allegedly include “weaponiz[ing] human resources” by goading diverse members of Google’s team into making inflammatory statements, and reporting those statements as violations of the company’s rules around civility. [..] Pro-diversity employees say that their messages on internal Google forums have also been photographed and shared outside the company, leading to their publication on far-right platforms [4]
A lot of condemnation of the leaks, but I was shocked to find no trace of the leaked comments themselves - though the people whose comments were leaked are interviewed and given the chance to present their side. The contrast is greatest in [3], where the only comment quoted is the two-word "take out" of the presumably far-right Chuck Johnson.
So we have, broadly speaking, two sides making controversial comments. The comments of one side aren't published (except by far-right news sites), only their explanations given to the media. The other side does have their incriminating comments published (or parts of them), but doesn't get much of a chance to defend or explain themselves after that.
I'm just glad this one-sided reporting is on the side of truth and the good guys.
[1] https://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-news/2018/01/30/googles-civil-war-diversity-advocates-threatened-and-harassed-by-co-workers-new-report-says/ https://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-news/2018/01/30/googles...
[2] https://www.wired.com/story/the-dirty-war-over-diversity-inside-google/ https://www.wired.com/story/the-dirty-war-over-diversity-ins...
[3] https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/2018/01/26/google-diversity-culture-war/1071107001/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/2018/01/26/google-diversi...
[4] https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/01/google-has-become-ground-zero-for-the-culture-wars https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/01/google-has-become-gr...
- icebraining 7y ago"The other side does have their incriminating comments published (or parts of them)" Where? I don't see any leaked comments from either side on those links.
- deogeo 7y agoBecause those links are about the leaked comments of the diversity advocates. Even so, they do contain a quoted comment (though not leaked) - the right-wing "take out". An example of the reverse wasn't hard to find: > "Women, on average, have more openness directed towards feelings and aesthetics rather than ideas. Women generally also have a stronger interest in people rather than things, relative to men (also interpreted as empathizing vs. systemizing)," the screed reads. [1] [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/google-employee-s-anti-diversity-manifesto-women-s-neuroticism-goes-n790401 https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/google-employ...
- icebraining 7y ago> though not leaked It's a public tweet, in fact. Easy to find along with the rest of the author's opinions and explanations. > An example of the reverse wasn't hard to find: That quote is from James Damore's memo, and he has been interviewed by many media organizations, like The Guardian and Business Insider, so I don't see how you can claim he didn't have a chance to explain himself.
- deogeo 7y agoYes - he could explain himself after getting fired, and the whole incident blowing up. To treat the sides equally, the news would have had to have been: Things got even uglier when social justice sympathizers leaked a memo made on the message boards by James Damore, to left-wing news sites, resulting in his firing. "We must do more to foster an atmosphere of open debate." Damore says.
- jmull 7y agoI think it’s the publishing of the comments that is the key thing, not the comments themselves. That’s because it causes the person to be targeted for harassment.