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> Even Michael Godwin says there are times when it's acceptable to compare shitheads to Nazis I wonder if we were in our early 20s during Nazi Germany if eithe

> Even Michael Godwin says there are times when it's acceptable to compare shitheads to Nazis I wonder if we were in our early 20s during Nazi Germany if either of us would have the wherewithal to reject being a Nazi. I suspect we're all shitheads depending on the context. > I'm dis-recommnending bash. Yeah, I got that. I just thought it was absurd for you to only aim for a few orders of magnitude speed improvement when you could've easily gotten several more by arguing for something faster than Python. > You admit floating point math in bash would be a good idea, and you seem to think [...] You're doing that thing again where you try to represent my argument for me. This time instead of telling me what I might say, you're telling me what I think. You're wrong again, and it's still a poor argument strategy. I'm not defending or advocating bash. I'm certainly not recommending any improvements to it - I only said they were possible. I am however calling you out for recommending Python in any case where performance matters.

DonHopkins 7y ago
Speak for yourself, but the exterminating Jews thing would have turned me off even as a small child. Please don't represent my tolerance for Nazis for me, and I won't represent your arguments for you. Once again: If performance matters, then use PyPy or V8 or SpiderMonkey or ChakraCore or JavaScriptCore or Carakan or Nashorn of course. It doesn't invalidate my argument that I used the name of the language Python instead of listing out every possible interpreter or VM that runs Python scripts, or every JavaScript VM, or every C++ compiler. I've already said several times that Python is just an example. Did you not understand that part? The hundreds of instructions difference between multiplying with CPython and PyPy still pales in comparison to the millions of instructions required to fork "bc". And with bash you're still stuck with that terrible mish-mash syntax and converting back and forth between text and binary floating point numbers.
- civility 7y ago
  > Speak for yourself, but the exterminating Jews thing would have turned me off even as a small child. Well, it's either nature or nurture that makes the difference between them and us. If it's nature, then you're basically arguing they're bad because of some DNA difference (kind of Nazi-ish if you ask me), and if it's nurture, you should be willing do admit you might do horrible things like the other people in that context. I mean, we're either all the same or we have discriminating differences - pick your poison. Conveniently, we can pretend to have the moral highground because we can't actually perform the experiment. > I've already said several times that Python is just an example. Yeah, but you should pick better examples :-) Now you're locking your heals and wiggling around trying to pretend you meant PyPy. > The hundreds of instructions difference between multiplying with CPython and PyPy still pales in comparison to the millions of instructions required to fork "bc" So 4 orders of magnitude is worth it, but 2 more don't matter to you. Someone else might take a different position either way. > And with bash you're still stuck with that terrible mish-mash syntax and converting back and forth between text and binary floating point numbers. Agreed. Python has plenty of ugly flaws though too.
  - DonHopkins 7y ago
    Sometimes a shithead is only a shithead. But all Nazis are shitheads. Yes, yes, I hear you: we're all just as bad as Nazis. Where have I heard that before? I really don't think Hacker News is the right platform for false equivalencies and right wing Nazi apologetics. You should take that stuff elsewhere, fella.
    - civility 7y ago
      First you say I'm a bash apologist and then a Nazi apologist. Where is a philosophical Python criticizer supposed to go in order to get a fair shake. You can do better than ad hominem rebuttals.
      - DonHopkins 7y ago
        Your criticisms of Python and your rationalizations that we would all probably follow Adolph Hitler if we were 20 year olds in Nazi Germany are non-sequiturs. Speak for yourself, and find another platform for arguing about Python and Nazis.
        civility 7y ago
        > Speak for yourself, and find another platform for arguing about Python and Nazis. You're the jackass who brought Nazi's into a tech conversation, and you're also the one who brought Python into the conversation. As for telling me where or what to argue, you don't really have any authority in the matter. We can add this to your other weird delusions.
        dang 7y ago
        This is really dismaying, but I'll give you credit for struggling to avoid it for a long time before succumbing. Still. Can you please just let go before it gets to this stage in the future? I know it's not easy. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        7y ago

DonHopkins 7y ago

Speak for yourself, but the exterminating Jews thing would have turned me off even as a small child. Please don't represent my tolerance for Nazis for me, and I won't represent your arguments for you. Once again: If performance matters, then use PyPy or V8 or SpiderMonkey or ChakraCore or JavaScriptCore or Carakan or Nashorn of course. It doesn't invalidate my argument that I used the name of the language Python instead of listing out every possible interpreter or VM that runs Python scripts, or every JavaScript VM, or every C++ compiler. I've already said several times that Python is just an example. Did you not understand that part? The hundreds of instructions difference between multiplying with CPython and PyPy still pales in comparison to the millions of instructions required to fork "bc". And with bash you're still stuck with that terrible mish-mash syntax and converting back and forth between text and binary floating point numbers.

civility 7y ago
> Speak for yourself, but the exterminating Jews thing would have turned me off even as a small child. Well, it's either nature or nurture that makes the difference between them and us. If it's nature, then you're basically arguing they're bad because of some DNA difference (kind of Nazi-ish if you ask me), and if it's nurture, you should be willing do admit you might do horrible things like the other people in that context. I mean, we're either all the same or we have discriminating differences - pick your poison. Conveniently, we can pretend to have the moral highground because we can't actually perform the experiment. > I've already said several times that Python is just an example. Yeah, but you should pick better examples :-) Now you're locking your heals and wiggling around trying to pretend you meant PyPy. > The hundreds of instructions difference between multiplying with CPython and PyPy still pales in comparison to the millions of instructions required to fork "bc" So 4 orders of magnitude is worth it, but 2 more don't matter to you. Someone else might take a different position either way. > And with bash you're still stuck with that terrible mish-mash syntax and converting back and forth between text and binary floating point numbers. Agreed. Python has plenty of ugly flaws though too.
- DonHopkins 7y ago
  Sometimes a shithead is only a shithead. But all Nazis are shitheads. Yes, yes, I hear you: we're all just as bad as Nazis. Where have I heard that before? I really don't think Hacker News is the right platform for false equivalencies and right wing Nazi apologetics. You should take that stuff elsewhere, fella.
  - civility 7y ago
    First you say I'm a bash apologist and then a Nazi apologist. Where is a philosophical Python criticizer supposed to go in order to get a fair shake. You can do better than ad hominem rebuttals.
    - DonHopkins 7y ago
      Your criticisms of Python and your rationalizations that we would all probably follow Adolph Hitler if we were 20 year olds in Nazi Germany are non-sequiturs. Speak for yourself, and find another platform for arguing about Python and Nazis.
      - civility 7y ago
        > Speak for yourself, and find another platform for arguing about Python and Nazis. You're the jackass who brought Nazi's into a tech conversation, and you're also the one who brought Python into the conversation. As for telling me where or what to argue, you don't really have any authority in the matter. We can add this to your other weird delusions.
        dang 7y ago
        This is really dismaying, but I'll give you credit for struggling to avoid it for a long time before succumbing. Still. Can you please just let go before it gets to this stage in the future? I know it's not easy. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - 7y ago