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I’m not sure where the misconception comes from about simulator training being equal to the aircraft being a new type certificate. The DC-9/MD-80 series/B717 ar
by bronco21016 7y ago
I’m not sure where the misconception comes from about simulator training being equal to the aircraft being a new type certificate. The DC-9/MD-80 series/B717 are all the same DC-9 type certificate despite spanning many decades, longer than the 737 even. Pilots receive a DC-9 type certificate to fly any variant, however, for obvious reasons, the FAA requires what’s known as differences training in a simulator to transition between the different aircraft.
I can’t possibly imagine that the FAA is or any aviation governing body is going to jump from iPad distance learning to full on new type certificate. B737 type rated pilots will receive 2-3 sessions in the MAX simulator and be sent on their way flying 737NG and MAX variants and the aircraft will go on to have a normal safety record.
The more concerning aspect of this entire situation is finding where the system broke down to prevent this additional training to begin with and how do we fix the breaks in that system.
- ozmaverick72 7y agoThey will have to fix the simulator first. As I understand it they can't currently simulate the handling of the aircraft under MCAS failure modes. If they correct the simulator and require pilots to train for the handling of MCAS failures then I have to problem with the reintroduction of the max on the same type certificate. From what we are hearing in the press it sounds like Boeing is still pressing for nothing more that a dumb iPad lesson. If the FAA falls for that they will loose all credibility in my eyes.
- wjnc 7y agoHas the whole world subscribed to FAA oversight or would other regulators be able to pick their own fight with Boeing?
- lrem 7y agoEU has its own oversight that has, at least at some point in the past, been pretty much copying FAA word-for-word. Other countries obviously have their own, but also leaned on FAA for its influence. Yet another aspect of soft power of the US.
- sokoloff 7y agoBoeing 757 and 767 share a common type rating as well. I believe that differences training is required to move from one to the other, but I’m not 100% sure.
- ksaj 7y ago"finding where the system broke down" It broke down when pilots who started asking questions about the new controls were shushed and told they'd probably never notice it in the real world.
- unityByFreedom 7y agosource please
- lrem 7y ago"I don't know that understanding this system would've changed the outcome on this. In a million miles, you're going to maybe fly this airplane, maybe once you're going to see this, ever. So we try not to overload the crews with information that's unnecessary so they actually know the information we believe is important," the Sinnett said. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/boeing-737-max-audio-reveals-pilots-confronting-official-about-features-suspected-in-deadly-crashes-2019-05-14/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/boeing-737-max-audio-reveals-pi...
- unityByFreedom 7y agoThanks. I see the comment above has twisted the story. This explanation sounds reasonable. No evidence of a censored employee.
- ksaj 7y agoIt says exactly what I said. Censorship is one form of shushing, but not one I brought up in the direction you interpreted it. > So we try not to overload the crews with information that's unnecessary so they actually know the information we believe is important, But there is that bit of censorship, basically being told pilots don't need this information, and that's why it wasn't given. What they "didn't need to know" killed a lot of people.
- unityByFreedom 7y ago