> I don't see any point at all in growing into a massive, vertical city with tons of traffic and density is positive in any way, for anyone frankly. You need a

> I don't see any point at all in growing into a massive, vertical city with tons of traffic and density is positive in any way, for anyone frankly. You need a certain density of people to support a unique local arts & culture. The more people you have supporting amenities, the more you can support. Any city that depends heavily on cars for transportation has a natural limit on the number of people that can support an amenity, because transportation costs (like traffic) rise non-linearly with population. So IMO "world-class" and car-centric transportation infrastructure are incompatible.