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A study was done and they determined the main reason Nimbys are Nimbys is because they don't like the idea of developers making money by building things near th

A study was done and they determined the main reason Nimbys are Nimbys is because they don't like the idea of developers making money by building things near them: https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/09/what-if-nimbys-hate-developers-more-than-housing/570169/ https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/09/what-if-nimbys-hate-d...

mabbo 7y ago
That's really fascinating. I'm not bothered by developers making money. They're a very important part of the housing system. But what does bother me is when you have buildings poorly constructed, made to be cheap to build but expensive to maintain. Most of the condos along the waterfront meet that criteria. Even my own building, which on the whole is pretty well built, has to undergo a huge renovation to each unit because the developer used plastic piping instead of copper and it's failing. The developer saved a few bucks, and I'm paying for it years later. I'm a YIMBY- so long as the developer isn't cutting corners.
- metildaa 7y ago
  Copper pipe isn't a be all, end all, if anything it can be more damage prone than plastic pipe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD5lMITzx_Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD5lMITzx_Y
- tedivm 7y ago
  PVC is extremely common for plumbing and should not, by it self, cause any issues. Copper pipes are very expensive and leak copper into the water, which can have some negative affects on health. The middle school I went to actually had to bring in bottled water because the copper quantity in the water was too high. Copper pipes are also much louder.
  - ip26 7y ago
    First of all PVC can't be used on the drinking side, only drain. Second of all, not all types of plastic used in plumbing have stood the test of time.
hi5eyes 7y ago
citylab is also toronto based
null000 7y ago
Tbf, the problem comes in when developers (or someone - developers are probably just the most visible) make a pile of cash for coming in, pushing renters out of a small numbed of relatively affordable units, ploping down a building with a large number of completely in affordable units, and causing a huge headache for everyone living in the area in the process. I'm generally for development, but the way it's carried out in many cases tends to screw over existing residents while benefitting mostly just people-who-dont-live-there.
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hedora 7y ago
As is commonly the case with Citylab, this article is drawing conclusions that don’t follow from the evidence. Toward the bottom, it points this out: > But the study wasn’t entirely conclusive, Monkkonen says. By making the development frame about the process as a whole—the question posed to respondents suggests that the city gave the developer a special permit to build at a higher density than usual—they’ve partly conflated a distrust in government with a distrust in development. It is not surprising if you tell people the local government is letting one developer ignore the rules, and that the developer will make a pile of cash because of it, that people get suspicious. The reason is that real estate developers routinely openly bribe government officials, ruin existing communities, break community development promises, make tons of money, and are never punished. The president and his immediate family are high profile examples of this, but this has happened multiple times in every area I’ve ever lived in (in multiple states).

mabbo 7y ago

That's really fascinating. I'm not bothered by developers making money. They're a very important part of the housing system. But what does bother me is when you have buildings poorly constructed, made to be cheap to build but expensive to maintain. Most of the condos along the waterfront meet that criteria. Even my own building, which on the whole is pretty well built, has to undergo a huge renovation to each unit because the developer used plastic piping instead of copper and it's failing. The developer saved a few bucks, and I'm paying for it years later. I'm a YIMBY- so long as the developer isn't cutting corners.

metildaa 7y ago
Copper pipe isn't a be all, end all, if anything it can be more damage prone than plastic pipe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD5lMITzx_Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD5lMITzx_Y
tedivm 7y ago
PVC is extremely common for plumbing and should not, by it self, cause any issues. Copper pipes are very expensive and leak copper into the water, which can have some negative affects on health. The middle school I went to actually had to bring in bottled water because the copper quantity in the water was too high. Copper pipes are also much louder.
- ip26 7y ago
  First of all PVC can't be used on the drinking side, only drain. Second of all, not all types of plastic used in plumbing have stood the test of time.

hi5eyes 7y ago

citylab is also toronto based

null000 7y ago

Tbf, the problem comes in when developers (or someone - developers are probably just the most visible) make a pile of cash for coming in, pushing renters out of a small numbed of relatively affordable units, ploping down a building with a large number of completely in affordable units, and causing a huge headache for everyone living in the area in the process. I'm generally for development, but the way it's carried out in many cases tends to screw over existing residents while benefitting mostly just people-who-dont-live-there.

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hedora 7y ago

As is commonly the case with Citylab, this article is drawing conclusions that don’t follow from the evidence. Toward the bottom, it points this out: > But the study wasn’t entirely conclusive, Monkkonen says. By making the development frame about the process as a whole—the question posed to respondents suggests that the city gave the developer a special permit to build at a higher density than usual—they’ve partly conflated a distrust in government with a distrust in development. It is not surprising if you tell people the local government is letting one developer ignore the rules, and that the developer will make a pile of cash because of it, that people get suspicious. The reason is that real estate developers routinely openly bribe government officials, ruin existing communities, break community development promises, make tons of money, and are never punished. The president and his immediate family are high profile examples of this, but this has happened multiple times in every area I’ve ever lived in (in multiple states).