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I love it! But, I think that the main issue is the INCREDIBLY lazy writing for S8 in particular, and S7 to a large extent as well.

ianai 7y ago
I think they’re just arrogant and full of themselves. They don’t have the chops to end what Martin started. They’ve got to use cheap plot twists to be compelling.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  Martin provided outlines through the end of the series early on; this was widely reported at the time. And what twists? Other than “who kills the Night King”, most of the “twists” people have complained about are deeply flawed characters acting on accord with, rather than transcending, flaws that have been consistently shown since S1. It's a twist only in that it defies narrative traditions of the medium, but then that's also in accord with the character the show has shown since S1 (notably with the execution of Ned Stark.)
  - ianai 7y ago
    Until he publishes the last book I don’t believe he wrote the queen going mad into the story.
    - davvolun 7y ago
      Really?! I'm not saying we should have all expected it or something, but there were decently strong hints in retrospect she wasn't what we all wanted her to be, whereas Jon was what we wanted but lacked the ambition or whatever -- which almost perfectly mirrors Ned and everyone else in the story. The only thing I can't believe is that the prophecies were pointing toward Arya as Azor Ahai, or the (apparently now) more likely theory that the "darkness" mentioned in the prophecy didn't have anything to do with the army of the undead (http://time.com/5589654/game-of-thrones-jon-snow-azor-ahai-prophecy/ http://time.com/5589654/game-of-thrones-jon-snow-azor-ahai-p...)
  - stefanfisk 7y ago
    even if we know that he provided outlines, we don't know to what extent if any the producers chose to follow them.
    - ianai 7y ago
      Good point. Maybe they rushed to the end. That can lose an audience.

ianai 7y ago

I think they’re just arrogant and full of themselves. They don’t have the chops to end what Martin started. They’ve got to use cheap plot twists to be compelling.

dragonwriter 7y ago
Martin provided outlines through the end of the series early on; this was widely reported at the time. And what twists? Other than “who kills the Night King”, most of the “twists” people have complained about are deeply flawed characters acting on accord with, rather than transcending, flaws that have been consistently shown since S1. It's a twist only in that it defies narrative traditions of the medium, but then that's also in accord with the character the show has shown since S1 (notably with the execution of Ned Stark.)
- ianai 7y ago
  Until he publishes the last book I don’t believe he wrote the queen going mad into the story.
  - davvolun 7y ago
    Really?! I'm not saying we should have all expected it or something, but there were decently strong hints in retrospect she wasn't what we all wanted her to be, whereas Jon was what we wanted but lacked the ambition or whatever -- which almost perfectly mirrors Ned and everyone else in the story. The only thing I can't believe is that the prophecies were pointing toward Arya as Azor Ahai, or the (apparently now) more likely theory that the "darkness" mentioned in the prophecy didn't have anything to do with the army of the undead (http://time.com/5589654/game-of-thrones-jon-snow-azor-ahai-prophecy/ http://time.com/5589654/game-of-thrones-jon-snow-azor-ahai-p...)
- stefanfisk 7y ago
  even if we know that he provided outlines, we don't know to what extent if any the producers chose to follow them.
  - ianai 7y ago
    Good point. Maybe they rushed to the end. That can lose an audience.