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Related, a description of the problem, but not a solution: * Google Is Eating Our Mail https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19756125 https://news.ycombinator.

Related, a description of the problem, but not a solution: * Google Is Eating Our Mail https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19756125 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19756125 My personal mail server has all the industry-standard SPF, DKIM, and DMARC records. But Google still randomly eats my mail, and the system gives no explanation, sometimes it was my kernel patches submitted to the Linux maintainers, yikes! Weeks of time wasted.

donmcronald 7y ago
The filtering is schizophrenic. Sometimes I think it's because normal users are incorrectly flagging stuff as spam, but I can't understand the one I posted. I don't think anyone is signing up for CT Log notifications and then flagging them as spam. It must be a poor quality algorithm somewhere that's flagging it.
- bcaa7f3a8bbc 7y ago
  It's understandable to flag mails from reputation domains as spams if there's no SPF and DMARC, but there is. It's totally unreasonable. > The filtering is schizophrenic. The unfortunate result of machine learning? I guess Google's spam filter has lots of pattern-matching and heuristics that don't follow "the rules of E-mails" exactly. Anecdotes in the comments I linked says Google's spam filter has became more aggressive in recent years, I suspect it must be ML. I hope other HN readers can give a more informative answer to your post, as a sender, I'm having the same problem, it's two sides of the same coin...
napsterbr 7y ago
I just read through the comment section of this article and, as someone who is planning to host my own email, it is really demotivating me. Do you (or anyone) happen to know how the big players (AWS SES, SendGrid, Mandrill etc) work around this issue? I understand they offer dedicated IP address, but I suppose a considerable amount of their emails goes through the "shared pool". Maybe a high volume of sends actually helps?
- bcaa7f3a8bbc 7y ago
  I believe they are simply "too big to fail". If you start blocking AWS, lots of people will have problems with Google. As a result, mail sending services are unlikely to be flagged. > as someone who is planning to host my own email, it is really demotivating me. The good thing is, I've hosted emails on my personal server for 4 years or so, and I don't have any issue so far, as long as it's not Google, but it's probably not so assuring to you because of this exact reason...

donmcronald 7y ago

The filtering is schizophrenic. Sometimes I think it's because normal users are incorrectly flagging stuff as spam, but I can't understand the one I posted. I don't think anyone is signing up for CT Log notifications and then flagging them as spam. It must be a poor quality algorithm somewhere that's flagging it.

bcaa7f3a8bbc 7y ago
It's understandable to flag mails from reputation domains as spams if there's no SPF and DMARC, but there is. It's totally unreasonable. > The filtering is schizophrenic. The unfortunate result of machine learning? I guess Google's spam filter has lots of pattern-matching and heuristics that don't follow "the rules of E-mails" exactly. Anecdotes in the comments I linked says Google's spam filter has became more aggressive in recent years, I suspect it must be ML. I hope other HN readers can give a more informative answer to your post, as a sender, I'm having the same problem, it's two sides of the same coin...

napsterbr 7y ago

I just read through the comment section of this article and, as someone who is planning to host my own email, it is really demotivating me. Do you (or anyone) happen to know how the big players (AWS SES, SendGrid, Mandrill etc) work around this issue? I understand they offer dedicated IP address, but I suppose a considerable amount of their emails goes through the "shared pool". Maybe a high volume of sends actually helps?

bcaa7f3a8bbc 7y ago
I believe they are simply "too big to fail". If you start blocking AWS, lots of people will have problems with Google. As a result, mail sending services are unlikely to be flagged. > as someone who is planning to host my own email, it is really demotivating me. The good thing is, I've hosted emails on my personal server for 4 years or so, and I don't have any issue so far, as long as it's not Google, but it's probably not so assuring to you because of this exact reason...