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I think he got fired because he called the entire category of female employees generally poor performers and less capable because they were not men and also que

I think he got fired because he called the entire category of female employees generally poor performers and less capable because they were not men and also questioned hiring practices to encourage hiring them. Is it okay if you pick other groups and claim this about them? Black people, Jewish, whatever. You need to treat people as individuals.

avinium 7y ago
Well, I disagree with that characterisation of the affair, but ultimately it’s irrelevant. He was literally fired for making people (in this case, women) uncomfortable. Doesn’t matter whether you agree or disagree with the firing, but that was unquestionably the reason.
s9w 7y ago
If you argue like that, that implies that every group is exactly the same on every possible metric. That seems improbable. Saying that Jewish people are more intelligent than others is common. Other comparisons don't fare so well.
repolfx 7y ago
That's simply not true. I'm going to assume you are repeating things you've read in articles written by journalists, who I noticed lied repeatedly about the contents of Damore's memo. If you're curious about what it really says you can read it here: https://firedfortruth.com/ https://firedfortruth.com/ For example, you say: "You need to treat people as individuals" Damore agrees with you. He said: "I’m advocating for quite the opposite: treat people as individuals, not as just another member of their group (tribalism)." and "Many of these differences are small and there’s significant overlap between men and women, so you can’t say anything about an individual given these population level distributions." You say: I think he got fired because he called the entire category of female employees generally poor performers But Damore said: "Note, I’m not saying that all men differ from all women in the following ways or that these differences are “just.” So he said the opposite of "the entire category", he explicitly said he was talking about statistical observations that aren't true in many cases. He also had some not terribly pleasant truths to drop about men: "This may lead to more male CEOs and geniuses, but also more homeless males and school dropouts. This has likely evolved because individual males can have many children and are biologically disposable." But nobody seems to remember that.

avinium 7y ago

Well, I disagree with that characterisation of the affair, but ultimately it’s irrelevant. He was literally fired for making people (in this case, women) uncomfortable. Doesn’t matter whether you agree or disagree with the firing, but that was unquestionably the reason.

s9w 7y ago

If you argue like that, that implies that every group is exactly the same on every possible metric. That seems improbable. Saying that Jewish people are more intelligent than others is common. Other comparisons don't fare so well.

repolfx 7y ago

That's simply not true. I'm going to assume you are repeating things you've read in articles written by journalists, who I noticed lied repeatedly about the contents of Damore's memo. If you're curious about what it really says you can read it here: https://firedfortruth.com/ https://firedfortruth.com/ For example, you say: "You need to treat people as individuals" Damore agrees with you. He said: "I’m advocating for quite the opposite: treat people as individuals, not as just another member of their group (tribalism)." and "Many of these differences are small and there’s significant overlap between men and women, so you can’t say anything about an individual given these population level distributions." You say: I think he got fired because he called the entire category of female employees generally poor performers But Damore said: "Note, I’m not saying that all men differ from all women in the following ways or that these differences are “just.” So he said the opposite of "the entire category", he explicitly said he was talking about statistical observations that aren't true in many cases. He also had some not terribly pleasant truths to drop about men: "This may lead to more male CEOs and geniuses, but also more homeless males and school dropouts. This has likely evolved because individual males can have many children and are biologically disposable." But nobody seems to remember that.