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I have just started using it and love it. It sounds funny but while formatting is not always a deal breaker it still kills me for 1) readability and 2) the fait

I have just started using it and love it. It sounds funny but while formatting is not always a deal breaker it still kills me for 1) readability and 2) the faith that when someone reads the code base later one they know I was not an idiot. I know 2 is kind of subjective but when I look at someone elses code and I see obvious mistakes against pep8 I start judging both the person and the code harshly. Perhaps unfair but for the very simple pep8 rules I see it as someone who is not as well versed in Python and perhaps does not care about their code as much. Overall I just concede that consistency is better than everyones personal tastes. For a startup I think you can get by with just some custom linting but in a larger org I find it much harder to agree on a consistent format unless you are a Python first org. Much easier just to roll Black into the project and go with it.

goostavos 8y ago
That's pretty lazy thinking, imho. "Person x doesn't care about their code because they didn't use the formatting I like" Worrying about or judging code based on PEP8 is missing the forest for the trees[0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf-BqAjZb8M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf-BqAjZb8M
- frosted-flakes 8y ago
  It's not that, it's that they use inconsistent and non-standard formatting. For example, in JavaScript, there is always a space before a function's opening curly bracket. This is pretty much a global standard, and it's rare to see code that doesn't follow this rule. However, I'll occasionally see code on Stack Overflow that randomly excludes these spaces. It honestly makes it so much harder to read, and I'm less willing to put in the effort to help them, because they didn't even go to the effort of properly formatting their code. Inconsistent indentation especially kills me because it makes code impossible to read.
  - cuddlecake 8y ago
    Technically, one could spend his life learning and perfecting JS or Python skills, without ever learning how other people format code. If you don't have a reference, you cannot align. Also, imagine blind people coding. I imagine they have a completely different stance on how code should be formatted.

goostavos 8y ago

That's pretty lazy thinking, imho. "Person x doesn't care about their code because they didn't use the formatting I like" Worrying about or judging code based on PEP8 is missing the forest for the trees[0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf-BqAjZb8M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf-BqAjZb8M

frosted-flakes 8y ago
It's not that, it's that they use inconsistent and non-standard formatting. For example, in JavaScript, there is always a space before a function's opening curly bracket. This is pretty much a global standard, and it's rare to see code that doesn't follow this rule. However, I'll occasionally see code on Stack Overflow that randomly excludes these spaces. It honestly makes it so much harder to read, and I'm less willing to put in the effort to help them, because they didn't even go to the effort of properly formatting their code. Inconsistent indentation especially kills me because it makes code impossible to read.
- cuddlecake 8y ago
  Technically, one could spend his life learning and perfecting JS or Python skills, without ever learning how other people format code. If you don't have a reference, you cannot align. Also, imagine blind people coding. I imagine they have a completely different stance on how code should be formatted.