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> the exact opposite of tesla's entire marketing strategy Citation needed. Do you have any examples of Tesla’s marketing strategy indicating that “you can slee

> the exact opposite of tesla's entire marketing strategy Citation needed. Do you have any examples of Tesla’s marketing strategy indicating that “you can sleep at the wheel”? (Not what they predict of the future of the system, but about it’s current state) The term autopilot comes from the avionics industry. Correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure a pilot cannot go to sleep while auto-pilot is engaged either.

Jasper_ 7y ago
The start of their Autopilot marketing video [0] clearly states "The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself." [0] https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot
- natch 7y ago
  Your citation doesn't support your point at all. It’s not an autopilot marketing video. It’s showing how the future could look. It’s probably using a current at the time development version of some FSD software. What does the header say right above that video? In a really big headline font, that’s really hard to miss? “Future of Driving”
rohit2412 7y ago
Full self driving hardware. Elon musk takes hands off the wheel. https://www.businessinsider.co.za/elon-musk-breaks-tesla-autopilot-rule-2018-12 https://www.businessinsider.co.za/elon-musk-breaks-tesla-aut... Tesla very much makes it sound like that you just need to sit back and enjoy a coffee while your car drives. Many imagine that the car will give them 5-10 seconds of heads up before takeover is needed.
- pooya13 7y ago
  Musk was demonstrating auto braking. I don’t see him in that video or anywhere else promoting careless driving or sleeping at the wheel. > Tesla very much makes it sound like that you just need to sit back and enjoy a coffee while your car drives Again citation needed. Although this might sound like a fact in the HN forums, it is far from the reality.
  - rohit2412 7y ago
    Citation needed? Coast to coast autonomous drive, cross country summon mode, full self driving on highways from entry to exit, the fsd fake demo video with "driver is there only for legal reasons", million robotaxis that earn you 30k$ a year from 2020, lidar is a fools errand etc etc. You need more? Here's Elon musk in 2016 proclaiming self driving to be easy and solved. Showing entire lack of understanding what driving is like and why computers fail at it. https://youtu.be/wsixsRI-Sz4?t=1h17m57s https://youtu.be/wsixsRI-Sz4?t=1h17m57s
    - pooya13 7y ago
      Let’s go over them one by one: > Coast to coast autonomous drive, cross country summon mode They have not claimed that they have achieved that yet. > full self driving on highways from entry to exit This is from the Tesla website when I search for the above: “The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous” [1] > the fsd fake demo video with "driver is there only for legal reasons" Based on what evidence do you claim it is “fake”? That video is to demonstrate FSD and show the future value of the system. It does not say here is how you should operate AP. > million robotaxis that earn you 30k$ a year from 2020 Oh shit, is it 2020 already? > lidar is a fools errand How is that even relevant to this thread? > You need more? More than the zero citations you have provided so far? Yes. Yes I do need more. > Here's Elon musk in 2016 proclaiming self driving to be easy and solved. Showing entire lack of understanding what driving is like and why computers fail at it. Again not relevant here since we are not talking about future promises here. The discussion is on how Tesla encourages its drivers to use the car today. If they say they are working on a flying car would anyone try to drive their car of a cliff? Again, if you think any of the above are not accurate please provide citations for your claim. (I’m starting to think folks around here don’t know what citation means) [1] https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-capability-trial https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-capability-t...
      - bussierem 7y ago
        First off, you need to remember that Tesla has made Musk's twitter feed an official announcement platform, so literally any promise, claim, or offhanded remark he makes there can (and often does) get treated as fact by people and by media. Second, regarding your link, it also states you can >[...] summon your car to come find you. How can it do this but _also_ "require active driver supervision"? This statement implies that it can, without you in the car, drive to come find you, and it _definitely_ implies the vehicle is autonomous. Yes, they also say like you said, but these are conflicting statements, and it's VERY easy between this, average Joe's understanding of autonomous cars, and Elon's behavior on twitter to see why so many people think that the Tesla is fully autonomous, and thus get into accidents like they have by simply not paying attention. You can link stuff from Tesla all you want showing how they do a good job covering their ass, but if people are still doing this, then Tesla isn't doing a good job of making this clear. They simply hide it inside the legal documents so that when people _do_ treat the car as autonomous, they can't be sued for it.

Jasper_ 7y ago

The start of their Autopilot marketing video [0] clearly states "The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself." [0] https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot

natch 7y ago
Your citation doesn't support your point at all. It’s not an autopilot marketing video. It’s showing how the future could look. It’s probably using a current at the time development version of some FSD software. What does the header say right above that video? In a really big headline font, that’s really hard to miss? “Future of Driving”

rohit2412 7y ago

Full self driving hardware. Elon musk takes hands off the wheel. https://www.businessinsider.co.za/elon-musk-breaks-tesla-autopilot-rule-2018-12 https://www.businessinsider.co.za/elon-musk-breaks-tesla-aut... Tesla very much makes it sound like that you just need to sit back and enjoy a coffee while your car drives. Many imagine that the car will give them 5-10 seconds of heads up before takeover is needed.

pooya13 7y ago
Musk was demonstrating auto braking. I don’t see him in that video or anywhere else promoting careless driving or sleeping at the wheel. > Tesla very much makes it sound like that you just need to sit back and enjoy a coffee while your car drives Again citation needed. Although this might sound like a fact in the HN forums, it is far from the reality.
- rohit2412 7y ago
  Citation needed? Coast to coast autonomous drive, cross country summon mode, full self driving on highways from entry to exit, the fsd fake demo video with "driver is there only for legal reasons", million robotaxis that earn you 30k$ a year from 2020, lidar is a fools errand etc etc. You need more? Here's Elon musk in 2016 proclaiming self driving to be easy and solved. Showing entire lack of understanding what driving is like and why computers fail at it. https://youtu.be/wsixsRI-Sz4?t=1h17m57s https://youtu.be/wsixsRI-Sz4?t=1h17m57s
  - pooya13 7y ago
    Let’s go over them one by one: > Coast to coast autonomous drive, cross country summon mode They have not claimed that they have achieved that yet. > full self driving on highways from entry to exit This is from the Tesla website when I search for the above: “The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous” [1] > the fsd fake demo video with "driver is there only for legal reasons" Based on what evidence do you claim it is “fake”? That video is to demonstrate FSD and show the future value of the system. It does not say here is how you should operate AP. > million robotaxis that earn you 30k$ a year from 2020 Oh shit, is it 2020 already? > lidar is a fools errand How is that even relevant to this thread? > You need more? More than the zero citations you have provided so far? Yes. Yes I do need more. > Here's Elon musk in 2016 proclaiming self driving to be easy and solved. Showing entire lack of understanding what driving is like and why computers fail at it. Again not relevant here since we are not talking about future promises here. The discussion is on how Tesla encourages its drivers to use the car today. If they say they are working on a flying car would anyone try to drive their car of a cliff? Again, if you think any of the above are not accurate please provide citations for your claim. (I’m starting to think folks around here don’t know what citation means) [1] https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-capability-trial https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-capability-t...
    - bussierem 7y ago
      First off, you need to remember that Tesla has made Musk's twitter feed an official announcement platform, so literally any promise, claim, or offhanded remark he makes there can (and often does) get treated as fact by people and by media. Second, regarding your link, it also states you can >[...] summon your car to come find you. How can it do this but _also_ "require active driver supervision"? This statement implies that it can, without you in the car, drive to come find you, and it _definitely_ implies the vehicle is autonomous. Yes, they also say like you said, but these are conflicting statements, and it's VERY easy between this, average Joe's understanding of autonomous cars, and Elon's behavior on twitter to see why so many people think that the Tesla is fully autonomous, and thus get into accidents like they have by simply not paying attention. You can link stuff from Tesla all you want showing how they do a good job covering their ass, but if people are still doing this, then Tesla isn't doing a good job of making this clear. They simply hide it inside the legal documents so that when people _do_ treat the car as autonomous, they can't be sued for it.