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Because powerful moneyed interests have convinced many of them that we have the best healthcare system in the world and any change would make it worse.

hn_throwaway_99 7y ago
True, but though this may sound arrogant, this reinforces my belief that people are generally too stupid to think about cause and effect rationally. Nearly every time I or my family have to deal with the US healthcare system I end up lamenting it's insanity, from lack of transparent pricing, lack of care follow-through when my elderly relatives are treated, the super high expense for simple visits or procedures, etc. And I'm someone with good health insurance. To go through this system and think "well it couldn't possibly get any better than this" makes me think one's capacity for either self delusion or idiocy knows no bounds.
- save_ferris 7y ago
  A big problem is that healthcare isn't often truly debated rationally. When the ACA was going through Congress, there were accusations of "death camps" flying around that the new healthcare system was going to round up and exterminate old people. These rumors were sometimes pushed by congressional candidates and high-level party officials. Fast-forward to today, and you see opponents of the ACA claiming that they're trying to protect preexisting conditions coverage too, when they're absolutely not. Our political system rewards lies and disinformation, and when a significant portion of the population believes these lies without any skepticism, then we're no longer debting rationally.
  - cr0sh 7y ago
    > Our political system rewards lies and disinformation, and when a significant portion of the population believes these lies without any skepticism, then we're no longer debting rationally. I know it's the topic under discussion, but today your statement applies to virtually everything under debate. We are in a very bad situation, that only seems to be spiralling downward, to what end is anyone's guess.
    - save_ferris 7y ago
      Not to devolve the conversation into a partisan debate, but when you have the former speaker of the house telling a reporter that how people feel is as logically true as hard data, we have a problem. And it's not going away any time soon. https://youtu.be/LrerNmwpzHY?t=59 https://youtu.be/LrerNmwpzHY?t=59
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- cr0sh 7y ago
  > one's capacity for either self delusion or idiocy knows no bounds. The fact that it's the 21st Century, and despite all the progress of science that religion still exists, should give you pause.

hn_throwaway_99 7y ago

True, but though this may sound arrogant, this reinforces my belief that people are generally too stupid to think about cause and effect rationally. Nearly every time I or my family have to deal with the US healthcare system I end up lamenting it's insanity, from lack of transparent pricing, lack of care follow-through when my elderly relatives are treated, the super high expense for simple visits or procedures, etc. And I'm someone with good health insurance. To go through this system and think "well it couldn't possibly get any better than this" makes me think one's capacity for either self delusion or idiocy knows no bounds.

save_ferris 7y ago
A big problem is that healthcare isn't often truly debated rationally. When the ACA was going through Congress, there were accusations of "death camps" flying around that the new healthcare system was going to round up and exterminate old people. These rumors were sometimes pushed by congressional candidates and high-level party officials. Fast-forward to today, and you see opponents of the ACA claiming that they're trying to protect preexisting conditions coverage too, when they're absolutely not. Our political system rewards lies and disinformation, and when a significant portion of the population believes these lies without any skepticism, then we're no longer debting rationally.
- cr0sh 7y ago
  > Our political system rewards lies and disinformation, and when a significant portion of the population believes these lies without any skepticism, then we're no longer debting rationally. I know it's the topic under discussion, but today your statement applies to virtually everything under debate. We are in a very bad situation, that only seems to be spiralling downward, to what end is anyone's guess.
  - save_ferris 7y ago
    Not to devolve the conversation into a partisan debate, but when you have the former speaker of the house telling a reporter that how people feel is as logically true as hard data, we have a problem. And it's not going away any time soon. https://youtu.be/LrerNmwpzHY?t=59 https://youtu.be/LrerNmwpzHY?t=59
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cr0sh 7y ago
> one's capacity for either self delusion or idiocy knows no bounds. The fact that it's the 21st Century, and despite all the progress of science that religion still exists, should give you pause.