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Nearly 1.25 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day Human in the loop is a terrible idea. We love doing make-up, texting, d

Nearly 1.25 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day Human in the loop is a terrible idea. We love doing make-up, texting, driving drunk, etc. We love road rage and silly egotistical lane changes or blocks and reduce efficiency of the roadways. It was fine at speeds of horses but not anymore. Especially with smartphones in the loop. Partial autonomy and then transitioning to full autonomy is the future of transportation. A car should be more like an elevator in functionality. Press a button, and take me there.

camjohnson26 7y ago
It should, sure. But full autonomy does not exist right now and is as hypothetical as general AI. Elon promised a coast to coast road trip across the US all the way back in 2016. If it was at all possible wouldn’t Tesla have hit at least that milestone by now? They couldn’t even drive the autonomy day demos more than 10 minutes without needing human intervention. And sure Waymo has good tech that is far beyond Tesla’s but those are very tightly controlled and geo boxed and driving with ladar. Still a long way from full autonomous driving.
- dwild 7y ago
  > If it was at all possible wouldn’t Tesla have hit at least that milestone by now? What? Because Elon wasn't able to achieve a milestone you consider it not possible at all? That's just absurd. > Still a long way from full autonomous driving. Yeah, still a long way from full autonomous driving, but having that training data make it that much closer. Theses cars have driven more miles than they ever could on test roads in a century.
  - camjohnson26 7y ago
    Tesla’s self driving strategy is to throw more data at a neural network until it learns to drive. That’s as out of touch with reality as a person thinking they can learn to fly if they just flap their arms enough times.
kybernetikos 7y ago
I think most people agree with a big chunk of that. The question is, does the path to full autonomy necessarily lie through partial autonomy? And related to that - is partial autonomy actually more dangerous than no autonomy at all? Personally I think that full autonomy might be easier to hit from scratch on prepared roads, with sensors built into the environment, and the roads/lanes not shared with pedestrians/animals/animals driving cars. I would consider making the equivalent of e.g. the London low emissions zone into an autonomous only zone, with the roads, environment and static cameras providing assistance to the cars, possibly centrally guided, and extending it out from there.

camjohnson26 7y ago

It should, sure. But full autonomy does not exist right now and is as hypothetical as general AI. Elon promised a coast to coast road trip across the US all the way back in 2016. If it was at all possible wouldn’t Tesla have hit at least that milestone by now? They couldn’t even drive the autonomy day demos more than 10 minutes without needing human intervention. And sure Waymo has good tech that is far beyond Tesla’s but those are very tightly controlled and geo boxed and driving with ladar. Still a long way from full autonomous driving.

dwild 7y ago
> If it was at all possible wouldn’t Tesla have hit at least that milestone by now? What? Because Elon wasn't able to achieve a milestone you consider it not possible at all? That's just absurd. > Still a long way from full autonomous driving. Yeah, still a long way from full autonomous driving, but having that training data make it that much closer. Theses cars have driven more miles than they ever could on test roads in a century.
- camjohnson26 7y ago
  Tesla’s self driving strategy is to throw more data at a neural network until it learns to drive. That’s as out of touch with reality as a person thinking they can learn to fly if they just flap their arms enough times.

kybernetikos 7y ago

I think most people agree with a big chunk of that. The question is, does the path to full autonomy necessarily lie through partial autonomy? And related to that - is partial autonomy actually more dangerous than no autonomy at all? Personally I think that full autonomy might be easier to hit from scratch on prepared roads, with sensors built into the environment, and the roads/lanes not shared with pedestrians/animals/animals driving cars. I would consider making the equivalent of e.g. the London low emissions zone into an autonomous only zone, with the roads, environment and static cameras providing assistance to the cars, possibly centrally guided, and extending it out from there.