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> And for a game like this, there's really no point in trying to make those puzzles by hand. That's a job for a computer. A hundred good puzzles with a difficu

> And for a game like this, there's really no point in trying to make those puzzles by hand. That's a job for a computer. A hundred good puzzles with a difficulty ramp-up would be way preferable than 100 randomly-generated 'probably? interesting' ones. I much prefer puzzle games where there's a 'trick' to solving a puzzle (like the puzzlescript genre, Pipe Push Paradise, Build Me a Snowman, Stephen's Sausage Roll), or mindless automatically-generated puzzles from Simon Tatham's collection.

bubblewrap 7y ago
You mean "over", not "or"? I've somehow caught the Slitherlink bug and solved countless Slitherlink puzzles. For that use case, I suppose automatically generated is the only feasible way to go. Maybe it also makes sense to use computer assistance in handcrafted puzzles at times.
- falsedan 7y ago
  > You mean "over", not "or"? clarification: I mean what I wrote. I tried the author's game and found it lifeless and too much work, the worst combination of attributes from my two preferred puzzles styles I described
  - mcphage 7y ago
    How is this puzzle style different than the procedurally generated ones in Simon Tatham's collection?
    - falsedan 7y ago
      So I guess I was pretty condensed in my post: > mindless automatically-generated the 'mindless' is: solving is mindless application of heuristics/solving rules & the challenge is not to complete the puzzle but to do it in minimal moves/time. The author's puzzle is too hard to solve mindlessly & then doesn't generate goodwill the way a hand-crafted stumper does in the puzzlescript-type games
      - mcphage 7y ago
        Ah, so you're saying, you want them to either be easier, or more clever? I guess that makes sense; I like solving Picross puzzles, but I enjoy them most when I can work through them at a rapid clip, just chasing clues and following the patterns. Harder ones can be fun, but I don't get the same sense of relaxation out of them.
        falsedan 7y ago
        I'd say 'more mechanical' instead of easier, but yeah, pretty much
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bubblewrap 7y ago

You mean "over", not "or"? I've somehow caught the Slitherlink bug and solved countless Slitherlink puzzles. For that use case, I suppose automatically generated is the only feasible way to go. Maybe it also makes sense to use computer assistance in handcrafted puzzles at times.

falsedan 7y ago
> You mean "over", not "or"? clarification: I mean what I wrote. I tried the author's game and found it lifeless and too much work, the worst combination of attributes from my two preferred puzzles styles I described
- mcphage 7y ago
  How is this puzzle style different than the procedurally generated ones in Simon Tatham's collection?
  - falsedan 7y ago
    So I guess I was pretty condensed in my post: > mindless automatically-generated the 'mindless' is: solving is mindless application of heuristics/solving rules & the challenge is not to complete the puzzle but to do it in minimal moves/time. The author's puzzle is too hard to solve mindlessly & then doesn't generate goodwill the way a hand-crafted stumper does in the puzzlescript-type games
    - mcphage 7y ago
      Ah, so you're saying, you want them to either be easier, or more clever? I guess that makes sense; I like solving Picross puzzles, but I enjoy them most when I can work through them at a rapid clip, just chasing clues and following the patterns. Harder ones can be fun, but I don't get the same sense of relaxation out of them.
      - falsedan 7y ago
        I'd say 'more mechanical' instead of easier, but yeah, pretty much

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