4 ms·

If the law asks me to do something I do not want to do for ethical reasons, I will not do it and accept to be punished. I expect the punishment to take into acc

If the law asks me to do something I do not want to do for ethical reasons, I will not do it and accept to be punished. I expect the punishment to take into account the ethical reasons and to be small. Refusing to comply is the way to make the law change, but we have to accept the price.

roenxi 7y ago
The law can't handle willful lawbreakers that way; otherwise criminals would develop strong ethical reservations about all sorts of stupid things. Ignoring a judge, purposefully and with premeditation, is not going to earn anyone reduced punishment. It is contempt of court. Again, if the law has ethical problems it is reasonable to put up a bit of a struggle. Just don't complain about the justice system is somehow doing anything unexpected - the problem sits with the lawmakers.
- sgift 7y ago
  > The law can't handle willful lawbreakers that way; otherwise criminals would develop strong ethical reservations about all sorts of stupid things. The law or rather the judges make judgement calls all the time. Does someone get bail? Does this person hide something? Is this interpretation by a lawyer sound? What mitigating circumstances should be considered in a judgement? It's not like people ask for something unprecedented here and the law up until now was some mechanical process that always lead to the same outcome.
  - foldr 7y ago
    It's reasonable to expect judges to use their judgment and discretion in applying the law. It's not reasonable to expect them to use your judgment and discretion.
    - pnongrata 7y ago
      It is completely reasonable to hold a judge's discretion and judgement under scrutiny.
      - russh 7y ago
        I'd go as far to say it's your duty.
- raverbashing 7y ago
  > The law can't handle willful lawbreakers that way; otherwise criminals would develop strong ethical reservations about all sorts of stupid things. The fact that this has to be explained shows how sheltered and naive some people are If they're not happy they can move to a low law enforcement country, apparently it would be the paradise for them (except for the fact you'll probably be robbed most often than not, still)
  - Fnoord 7y ago
    I disagree, I think it is fairly easy to prove that the ethical reasons make sense, or not, based on the other behavior of the person. > If they're not happy they can move to a low law enforcement country, apparently it would be the paradise for them (except for the fact you'll probably be robbed most often than not, still) Haha, yeah, because of high law enforcement the USA is a paradise where no violence or robberies take place. I don't know about robberies, but there's a lot less violence in my country than in yours where shootings are regular.
    - tekromancr 7y ago
      Agree. I live in the states, highest incarceration rates in the world. My apartment still got robbed, the cops still took a day to actually respond to it and investigate. Would still rather my nation have fairer law enforcement practices.
    - raverbashing 7y ago
      > yeah, because of high law enforcement the USA is a paradise where no violence or robberies take place. Sufficient enforcement is not a guarantee of lower crime rates And again, it's a bit of lack of knowledge of how things work in the 3rd world

roenxi 7y ago

The law can't handle willful lawbreakers that way; otherwise criminals would develop strong ethical reservations about all sorts of stupid things. Ignoring a judge, purposefully and with premeditation, is not going to earn anyone reduced punishment. It is contempt of court. Again, if the law has ethical problems it is reasonable to put up a bit of a struggle. Just don't complain about the justice system is somehow doing anything unexpected - the problem sits with the lawmakers.

sgift 7y ago
> The law can't handle willful lawbreakers that way; otherwise criminals would develop strong ethical reservations about all sorts of stupid things. The law or rather the judges make judgement calls all the time. Does someone get bail? Does this person hide something? Is this interpretation by a lawyer sound? What mitigating circumstances should be considered in a judgement? It's not like people ask for something unprecedented here and the law up until now was some mechanical process that always lead to the same outcome.
- foldr 7y ago
  It's reasonable to expect judges to use their judgment and discretion in applying the law. It's not reasonable to expect them to use your judgment and discretion.
  - pnongrata 7y ago
    It is completely reasonable to hold a judge's discretion and judgement under scrutiny.
    - russh 7y ago
      I'd go as far to say it's your duty.
raverbashing 7y ago
> The law can't handle willful lawbreakers that way; otherwise criminals would develop strong ethical reservations about all sorts of stupid things. The fact that this has to be explained shows how sheltered and naive some people are If they're not happy they can move to a low law enforcement country, apparently it would be the paradise for them (except for the fact you'll probably be robbed most often than not, still)
- Fnoord 7y ago
  I disagree, I think it is fairly easy to prove that the ethical reasons make sense, or not, based on the other behavior of the person. > If they're not happy they can move to a low law enforcement country, apparently it would be the paradise for them (except for the fact you'll probably be robbed most often than not, still) Haha, yeah, because of high law enforcement the USA is a paradise where no violence or robberies take place. I don't know about robberies, but there's a lot less violence in my country than in yours where shootings are regular.
  - tekromancr 7y ago
    Agree. I live in the states, highest incarceration rates in the world. My apartment still got robbed, the cops still took a day to actually respond to it and investigate. Would still rather my nation have fairer law enforcement practices.
  - raverbashing 7y ago
    > yeah, because of high law enforcement the USA is a paradise where no violence or robberies take place. Sufficient enforcement is not a guarantee of lower crime rates And again, it's a bit of lack of knowledge of how things work in the 3rd world