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That's why I use 2 profiles for every social media I use (why?) Because I hate how YouTube recommendations puts you into an echo chamber (first account is stuff

That's why I use 2 profiles for every social media I use (why?) Because I hate how YouTube recommendations puts you into an echo chamber (first account is stuff I find interesting and train YouTube by not recommending me 5 ways to be stoic etc). The same goes for Reddit (stopped using it for years instead used hacker news)

skilled 7y ago
YouTube's algorithm is plain dumb... It's almost like it is deliberately trying to encourage people to use a service like Spotify for music. Who can withstand being recommended the same songs over and over again? I gave up a long time ago.
- risos 7y ago
  Except that's not what the algorithm does at all. It shows you things SIMILAR to what you've already watched, but not exactly the same. Of course no one wants to listen to the same songs over and over, but Spotify recommends you SIMILAR music so that you have a chance of finding something else that you like. Sure, if your goal is to broaden your horizons and find media that's different to what you normally consume, then those algorithms probably won't allow you to do that. But for Youtube and Spotify, it means their users are constantly finding more things on their platform that they enjoy, which means more time on the platform and ultimately more ad revenue (or revenue from other premium services they offer).
  - jstanley 7y ago
    It was about YouTube, not Spotify. YouTube will happily put you in an autoplay recommendation loop, cycling back and forth between the same 2 or 3 songs.
    - bluefirex 7y ago
      Can't confirm. They always recommend me new stuff, never stuff I've already seen. And I watch a lot of YouTube (too much...)
      - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
        I wonder what the difference is between viewers - I end up in view loops as the previous poster, where I'm recommended the same stuff over and over.
    - rchaud 7y ago
      That certainly has not been my experience for music on Youtube; for the most part, it's very much in line with stuff I'd want to be listening to. I can't say the same for "Content" trash like "Bill Burr destroys feminism" and "Louis CK owns Parkland kids", because those do repeat heavily. Absurd recommendations when you consider that my view history in the comedy arena are Eddie Griffin and Dave Chappelle, two old-school comics who did not make their name off of culture-war "controversies".
- detritus 7y ago
  Laterally, I have a few tunes I listen to exclusively through YouTube, so its reminding me of the link is handy when I'm logged in on different machines. And yes, I listen to them over and over (and over).
- nicoburns 7y ago
  Interestingly I have the same problem but reversed: Spotify seems to put me in a short loop, whereas Youtube's recommendation are quite good. Possibly has something to do with our respective play histories on each service?

skilled 7y ago

YouTube's algorithm is plain dumb... It's almost like it is deliberately trying to encourage people to use a service like Spotify for music. Who can withstand being recommended the same songs over and over again? I gave up a long time ago.

risos 7y ago
Except that's not what the algorithm does at all. It shows you things SIMILAR to what you've already watched, but not exactly the same. Of course no one wants to listen to the same songs over and over, but Spotify recommends you SIMILAR music so that you have a chance of finding something else that you like. Sure, if your goal is to broaden your horizons and find media that's different to what you normally consume, then those algorithms probably won't allow you to do that. But for Youtube and Spotify, it means their users are constantly finding more things on their platform that they enjoy, which means more time on the platform and ultimately more ad revenue (or revenue from other premium services they offer).
- jstanley 7y ago
  It was about YouTube, not Spotify. YouTube will happily put you in an autoplay recommendation loop, cycling back and forth between the same 2 or 3 songs.
  - bluefirex 7y ago
    Can't confirm. They always recommend me new stuff, never stuff I've already seen. And I watch a lot of YouTube (too much...)
    - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
      I wonder what the difference is between viewers - I end up in view loops as the previous poster, where I'm recommended the same stuff over and over.
  - rchaud 7y ago
    That certainly has not been my experience for music on Youtube; for the most part, it's very much in line with stuff I'd want to be listening to. I can't say the same for "Content" trash like "Bill Burr destroys feminism" and "Louis CK owns Parkland kids", because those do repeat heavily. Absurd recommendations when you consider that my view history in the comedy arena are Eddie Griffin and Dave Chappelle, two old-school comics who did not make their name off of culture-war "controversies".
detritus 7y ago
Laterally, I have a few tunes I listen to exclusively through YouTube, so its reminding me of the link is handy when I'm logged in on different machines. And yes, I listen to them over and over (and over).
nicoburns 7y ago
Interestingly I have the same problem but reversed: Spotify seems to put me in a short loop, whereas Youtube's recommendation are quite good. Possibly has something to do with our respective play histories on each service?