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Was in Paris earlier in the year. It appeared that most people were already riding in the street rather than the sidewalk. Traffic in Paris is rather chaotic t

Was in Paris earlier in the year. It appeared that most people were already riding in the street rather than the sidewalk. Traffic in Paris is rather chaotic though (it's actually nice to see quite a few cyclists despite this chaos). I'd be concerned about rider safety.

nemanjaboric 7y ago
Yeah, the article is somewhat confusing, or wrong? I didn't see much people driving on pavement as well (I can't recall any), but had to move four of these to the side so that the lady with a roller can go through the pavement. The parking is literally - just leave them anywhere. And then they fall on the side, making them unwanted since nobody wants to drive scooter that's on the ground, so they stay there for days. > She said parking in such a way as to obstruct traffic or pedestrians will mean a 35-euro fine -- but the Paris city council has pledged to build parking spots for 2,500 scooters.
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- lucsky 7y ago
  > And then they fall on the side No they don't, some assholes push them and make them fall on purpose, I have seen it done many times here in Paris. Those idiot vigilantes seem to hope that by wreaking havoc they will increase the negative perception of the population against the scooters and their riders.
nyandaber 7y ago
I guess you were lucky or in a very specific area. Most of the "shared" electric scooters in Paris are used on the sidewalk, sometimes going very fast. I'm kinda split on the issue, on one hand they're a danger to pedestrian and there's a non negligerable amount of accident involving scooters on the sidewalk. On the other hand, it's hard to blame them from not using the cycle pathes because motorcycles will happily use them to avoid traffic. Still, bikes manage to use the streets just fine, so there's no reason electric scooters can't. Overall there's a huge need for traffic rules enforcement in Paris, for everyone. Pedestrians complain about cyclists/scooters, cyclists complain about motorcycles, motorcycles complain about cars, cars complain about pedestrian and bikes, all in good reason.
- hkmurakami 7y ago
  Yeah I was mostly in district 7 and 1 which is not exactly representative of the whole of Paris. I've lived in Japan before and cyclists aren't allowed to ride on the sidewalk sure to danger to pedestrians but this happens way too often anyways due to lack of enforcement. Unexpectedly some of the worst offenders are middle aged housewife types. Agreed that in pedestrian heavy cities like Tokyo or Paris you really need to look out for their safety.

nemanjaboric 7y ago

Yeah, the article is somewhat confusing, or wrong? I didn't see much people driving on pavement as well (I can't recall any), but had to move four of these to the side so that the lady with a roller can go through the pavement. The parking is literally - just leave them anywhere. And then they fall on the side, making them unwanted since nobody wants to drive scooter that's on the ground, so they stay there for days. > She said parking in such a way as to obstruct traffic or pedestrians will mean a 35-euro fine -- but the Paris city council has pledged to build parking spots for 2,500 scooters.

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lucsky 7y ago
> And then they fall on the side No they don't, some assholes push them and make them fall on purpose, I have seen it done many times here in Paris. Those idiot vigilantes seem to hope that by wreaking havoc they will increase the negative perception of the population against the scooters and their riders.

nyandaber 7y ago

I guess you were lucky or in a very specific area. Most of the "shared" electric scooters in Paris are used on the sidewalk, sometimes going very fast. I'm kinda split on the issue, on one hand they're a danger to pedestrian and there's a non negligerable amount of accident involving scooters on the sidewalk. On the other hand, it's hard to blame them from not using the cycle pathes because motorcycles will happily use them to avoid traffic. Still, bikes manage to use the streets just fine, so there's no reason electric scooters can't. Overall there's a huge need for traffic rules enforcement in Paris, for everyone. Pedestrians complain about cyclists/scooters, cyclists complain about motorcycles, motorcycles complain about cars, cars complain about pedestrian and bikes, all in good reason.

hkmurakami 7y ago
Yeah I was mostly in district 7 and 1 which is not exactly representative of the whole of Paris. I've lived in Japan before and cyclists aren't allowed to ride on the sidewalk sure to danger to pedestrians but this happens way too often anyways due to lack of enforcement. Unexpectedly some of the worst offenders are middle aged housewife types. Agreed that in pedestrian heavy cities like Tokyo or Paris you really need to look out for their safety.