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Here's a first-hand account (I'm assuming it's related due to similarities): https://stevecheney.com/handcuffed-and-under-surveillance/ https://stevecheney.com

Here's a first-hand account (I'm assuming it's related due to similarities): https://stevecheney.com/handcuffed-and-under-surveillance/ https://stevecheney.com/handcuffed-and-under-surveillance/ Sounds awful.

z3t4 7y ago
Seems like all he had to do was to show the receipt, the cops called the rental place, cleared the stolen car alert. The car rental should probably be charged for falsify reporting the car as stolen. And as the police said, you could probably ask for a year of free rental for the inconvenience. The police has to take some precaution because they risk their lives walking up to a stolen car, thus the not so friendly tone and hand-cups.
- ithkuil 7y ago
  There would be no story to tell had the cops been able to just call Hertz in a reasonable time. Instead apparently it took ages to go through the meanders of phone support.
- mikeash 7y ago
  A year of free rental, hah! “It’s cool, we probably won’t get you falsely arrested while you use this.”
- thorwasdfasdf 7y ago
  "free rentals for a year" ha! he/she better be getting a multi-million dollar settlement!
in3d 7y ago
I don’t think there is a more certain way of losing a customer for life than getting them arrested.
koolba 7y ago
That experience is terrible but it reads like a twenty paragraph commentary padding an instant pot recipe.
tgsovlerkhgsel 7y ago
One interesting point here is that the commonly-repeated mantra of "don't talk to police" would have likely resulted in this guy getting booked to jail, ending up with a mugshot on a couple of mugshot extortion websites, and generally getting his life upended.
- scarejunba 7y ago
  That's some yuppie shit, got to be honest. Brown bearded guy reaches for his phone after telling the cop he's not going to talk and he's going to dial his lawyer and you get a guy without his beard, or his jaw, or his life.
  - crooked-v 7y ago
    For the people downvoting this post, consider that people have been shot in the US for complying with police orders, including literally lying on the ground with arms up [1], for simply possessing a firearm with hands well away from it [2], and for attempting to comply with police orders to crawl across the floor with legs crossed and arms up (yes, really) [3]. Getting immediately shot for putting a hand in a pocket is an entirely realistic possibility. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Charles_Kinsey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Charles_Kinsey [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver
    - cf141q5325 7y ago
      No one is suggesting to just reach for your phone.
  - striking 7y ago
    I don't think that's the right time to call your lawyer. The advice I've received in the past is to comply to the best of your ability, don't talk to the police, call your lawyer when you have a chance, and fight whatever there is to fight in court or in the media. Reaching for something in your pocket instead of complying will probably get you hurt regardless of race. (I am neither lawyer nor LEO)
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CPLX 7y ago
> I think the sort of cerebral effect of feeling incarcerated made me extra lucid. I mean, he was handcuffed for awhile by the side of the road over a clerical error. That genuinely sucks. But if he ever does find himself actually incarcerated I bet he’ll learn the difference.
- goldenkey 7y ago
  I learned the difference in 2011 when I was nearly killed by the LAPD. It's not a one-upping game but man, some people don't realize the kind of actual evil and malice and terror that their fellow humans endure daily... Being handcuffed is a pittance compared to the possible nightmare scenarios..
  - oldjokes 7y ago
    I've only had three interactions with the police in my very old life and I have come very close to dying each time. Not sure if I just ran into three people on extremely bad days but I can't emphasize enough how lucky you are if you have never had to interact with United States law enforcement. You don't know what you're missing, and that's a good thing. Keep missing it. The idea of an algorithmic bug leading to false arrests is not exactly the worst case scenario I can imagine, but it's really close to the worst case scenario I can imagine.

z3t4 7y ago

Seems like all he had to do was to show the receipt, the cops called the rental place, cleared the stolen car alert. The car rental should probably be charged for falsify reporting the car as stolen. And as the police said, you could probably ask for a year of free rental for the inconvenience. The police has to take some precaution because they risk their lives walking up to a stolen car, thus the not so friendly tone and hand-cups.

ithkuil 7y ago
There would be no story to tell had the cops been able to just call Hertz in a reasonable time. Instead apparently it took ages to go through the meanders of phone support.
mikeash 7y ago
A year of free rental, hah! “It’s cool, we probably won’t get you falsely arrested while you use this.”
thorwasdfasdf 7y ago
"free rentals for a year" ha! he/she better be getting a multi-million dollar settlement!

in3d 7y ago

I don’t think there is a more certain way of losing a customer for life than getting them arrested.

koolba 7y ago

That experience is terrible but it reads like a twenty paragraph commentary padding an instant pot recipe.

tgsovlerkhgsel 7y ago

One interesting point here is that the commonly-repeated mantra of "don't talk to police" would have likely resulted in this guy getting booked to jail, ending up with a mugshot on a couple of mugshot extortion websites, and generally getting his life upended.

scarejunba 7y ago
That's some yuppie shit, got to be honest. Brown bearded guy reaches for his phone after telling the cop he's not going to talk and he's going to dial his lawyer and you get a guy without his beard, or his jaw, or his life.
- crooked-v 7y ago
  For the people downvoting this post, consider that people have been shot in the US for complying with police orders, including literally lying on the ground with arms up [1], for simply possessing a firearm with hands well away from it [2], and for attempting to comply with police orders to crawl across the floor with legs crossed and arms up (yes, really) [3]. Getting immediately shot for putting a hand in a pocket is an entirely realistic possibility. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Charles_Kinsey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Charles_Kinsey [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver
  - cf141q5325 7y ago
    No one is suggesting to just reach for your phone.
- striking 7y ago
  I don't think that's the right time to call your lawyer. The advice I've received in the past is to comply to the best of your ability, don't talk to the police, call your lawyer when you have a chance, and fight whatever there is to fight in court or in the media. Reaching for something in your pocket instead of complying will probably get you hurt regardless of race. (I am neither lawyer nor LEO)

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CPLX 7y ago

> I think the sort of cerebral effect of feeling incarcerated made me extra lucid. I mean, he was handcuffed for awhile by the side of the road over a clerical error. That genuinely sucks. But if he ever does find himself actually incarcerated I bet he’ll learn the difference.

goldenkey 7y ago
I learned the difference in 2011 when I was nearly killed by the LAPD. It's not a one-upping game but man, some people don't realize the kind of actual evil and malice and terror that their fellow humans endure daily... Being handcuffed is a pittance compared to the possible nightmare scenarios..
- oldjokes 7y ago
  I've only had three interactions with the police in my very old life and I have come very close to dying each time. Not sure if I just ran into three people on extremely bad days but I can't emphasize enough how lucky you are if you have never had to interact with United States law enforcement. You don't know what you're missing, and that's a good thing. Keep missing it. The idea of an algorithmic bug leading to false arrests is not exactly the worst case scenario I can imagine, but it's really close to the worst case scenario I can imagine.