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This is precisely their messaging on the embedded vimeo video on https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot "The person in the driver's se

by Donald 7y ago

This is precisely their messaging on the embedded vimeo video on https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot "The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons" https://i.imgur.com/74XHPiL.png https://i.imgur.com/74XHPiL.png In fact, the entire video shows the driver with their hands off the wheel.

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berberous 7y ago
This is misleading. That video is demonstrating Tesla's "full self driving" feature, which is not yet launched. You can future proof your car by paying for it, but Tesla is clear the FSD is still forthcoming, and that their current cars are not fully autonomous. I think you can rightfully give them shit about calling the current gen "autopilot", and think their full of shit for claiming FSD is as close as it is, but this video is not intended to suggest you can operate the existing car in that manner.
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- Donald 7y ago
  You should look at things from the perspective of someone not familiar with Telsa's product line. Sure, if you own or interact with Telsas, the feature set of autopilot vs FSD is clear. But, if you're a newbie, you just Googled "tesla autopilot" and clicked on the first result. You see that tesla has the "future of driving" - that must be autopilot, right? You scroll down and watch the video. There's a notice that people are optional and a guy being driven around hands free. The messaging is painfully there - autopilot does not require hands and the feature set of FSD vs autopilot is conflated in a very misleading way on that page in general. If you scroll down (albeit a heading that describes FSD), you see "The system is designed to be able to conduct short and long distance trips with no action required by the person in the driver’s seat." Tesla's autopilot landing page is clearly designed to mislead unsuspecting consumers into believing that autopilot is a self-driving capability.
  - fastball 7y ago
    How does one demonstrate a car driving itself (at any level) in an online video if there is someone in the driver's seat with their hands on the wheel? To the viewer, that would just look like a person driving a car.
    - romwell 7y ago
      >To the viewer, that would just look like a person driving a car. ...which is exactly how current autopilot systems are meant to be operated, if you listen to the post-crash analysis. Which, yes, defies the whole point of having these systems entirely. Which is why they would be hard to sell. Which would be right.
      - zaroth 7y ago
        Every single manufacturer demos their cars with hands off the wheel in YouTube videos explaining their lane keeping system.
        romwell 7y ago
        They also label it as lane keeping system, not self driving capability. The difference in labeling is what killed several people already.
        fastball 7y ago
        Literally every person that has been killed has been aware that their Tesla is not a fully autonomous vehicle, and has been aware of Tesla's rule that your hands should remain on the wheel at all times.
- fastball 7y ago
  Why can you give them shit for calling it autopilot? The only other context where we currently use "autopilot" is in aircraft, and Tesla autopilot demonstrates a significantly higher level of autonomy than the autopilot of your average aircraft.
  - lolc 7y ago
    When an aircraft pilot engages autopilot she can disengage herself and focus on other tasks. She must still monitor the trajectory but not continuously.
    - EmpirePhoenix 7y ago
      Tell that the Boing 787 Max pilots...
      - lolc 7y ago
        It was not an autopilot that crashed the two jets! Even if it had been, that would not change the fact that autopilots are a solved problem for IFR. The operating conditions where they can be used are clear, regulations are in place, and the risks are known. I'd actually compare the Boeing "assistance" to the Tesla "assistance" as sometimes the craft will decide to steer into solid objects based on misinterpreted sensors. But the comparison is a stretch.
    - fastball 7y ago
      Only if other assumptions are made which have nothing to do with the interaction between the pilot and the aircraft. Namely, that the skies are clear.
      - lolc 7y ago
        That's not an assumption but a reliance for IFR. You clear your path with air traffic control before engaging the autopilot. Collision-avoidance is not part of the autopilot in aircraft. And the pilot decides on the path. In conclusion there are few similarities between an aircraft pilot and driving assistance in cars.

by Donald 7y ago

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berberous 7y ago

This is misleading. That video is demonstrating Tesla's "full self driving" feature, which is not yet launched. You can future proof your car by paying for it, but Tesla is clear the FSD is still forthcoming, and that their current cars are not fully autonomous. I think you can rightfully give them shit about calling the current gen "autopilot", and think their full of shit for claiming FSD is as close as it is, but this video is not intended to suggest you can operate the existing car in that manner.

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Donald 7y ago
You should look at things from the perspective of someone not familiar with Telsa's product line. Sure, if you own or interact with Telsas, the feature set of autopilot vs FSD is clear. But, if you're a newbie, you just Googled "tesla autopilot" and clicked on the first result. You see that tesla has the "future of driving" - that must be autopilot, right? You scroll down and watch the video. There's a notice that people are optional and a guy being driven around hands free. The messaging is painfully there - autopilot does not require hands and the feature set of FSD vs autopilot is conflated in a very misleading way on that page in general. If you scroll down (albeit a heading that describes FSD), you see "The system is designed to be able to conduct short and long distance trips with no action required by the person in the driver’s seat." Tesla's autopilot landing page is clearly designed to mislead unsuspecting consumers into believing that autopilot is a self-driving capability.
- fastball 7y ago
  How does one demonstrate a car driving itself (at any level) in an online video if there is someone in the driver's seat with their hands on the wheel? To the viewer, that would just look like a person driving a car.
  - romwell 7y ago
    >To the viewer, that would just look like a person driving a car. ...which is exactly how current autopilot systems are meant to be operated, if you listen to the post-crash analysis. Which, yes, defies the whole point of having these systems entirely. Which is why they would be hard to sell. Which would be right.
    - zaroth 7y ago
      Every single manufacturer demos their cars with hands off the wheel in YouTube videos explaining their lane keeping system.
      - romwell 7y ago
        They also label it as lane keeping system, not self driving capability. The difference in labeling is what killed several people already.
        fastball 7y ago
        Literally every person that has been killed has been aware that their Tesla is not a fully autonomous vehicle, and has been aware of Tesla's rule that your hands should remain on the wheel at all times.
fastball 7y ago
Why can you give them shit for calling it autopilot? The only other context where we currently use "autopilot" is in aircraft, and Tesla autopilot demonstrates a significantly higher level of autonomy than the autopilot of your average aircraft.
- lolc 7y ago
  When an aircraft pilot engages autopilot she can disengage herself and focus on other tasks. She must still monitor the trajectory but not continuously.
  - EmpirePhoenix 7y ago
    Tell that the Boing 787 Max pilots...
    - lolc 7y ago
      It was not an autopilot that crashed the two jets! Even if it had been, that would not change the fact that autopilots are a solved problem for IFR. The operating conditions where they can be used are clear, regulations are in place, and the risks are known. I'd actually compare the Boeing "assistance" to the Tesla "assistance" as sometimes the craft will decide to steer into solid objects based on misinterpreted sensors. But the comparison is a stretch.
  - fastball 7y ago
    Only if other assumptions are made which have nothing to do with the interaction between the pilot and the aircraft. Namely, that the skies are clear.
    - lolc 7y ago
      That's not an assumption but a reliance for IFR. You clear your path with air traffic control before engaging the autopilot. Collision-avoidance is not part of the autopilot in aircraft. And the pilot decides on the path. In conclusion there are few similarities between an aircraft pilot and driving assistance in cars.