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How many millions of miles have these cars self driven and people lose their minds about a handful of deaths. I mean don't get me wrong - it's death and I'm ath

How many millions of miles have these cars self driven and people lose their minds about a handful of deaths. I mean don't get me wrong - it's death and I'm atheist. It's a big deal. But how many deaths did people incur in the first years of cars? Hell you could die just from the crank on the front kicking back and crushing your skull - and that was just to turn the things on. People take risks when new tech comes out. If they wanna be the Guinea pig then let them do it. Everyone sees musk as two faced and playing both sides but honestly - if you're an adult paying for a tesla then I'm fine with it being in your hands to decide if you're willing to roll the dice. Marketing or not, no one should be stupid enough to think ANY device has a 0% chance of killing you, let alone a computer driving.

FireBeyond 7y ago
> Everyone sees musk as two faced and playing both sides but honestly - if you're an adult paying for a tesla then I'm fine with it being in your hands to decide if you're willing to roll the dice. It also has a chance of killing me, a non-Tesla driver. Where's my informed consent?
- billions 7y ago
  It comes down to statistics. We deal with road raging, texting, drunk drivers on a daily basis. We know our risks each time we leave the house. Safety is exponentially better than what the past generation had to deal with.
  - raisedbyninjas 7y ago
    If the statistics showed that autopilot was safer than humans driving modern luxury sport sedans on the highway, then Elon would be blasting that out. So now drivers have to share the road with level 2 self driving cars sold to lay people as something more.
raisedbyninjas 7y ago
Musk does play both sides. After numerous crashes, Tesla blames the driver for not driving. However it's always a good time to tweet about FSD being just around the corner. Watch the video at https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot. It immediately says the driver is only in the driver's seat for legal reasons. It should say he's there to wrest control from the car whenever it encounters the dozens of edge cases it fails to handle before it accelerates into a concrete barrier. It's probably more dangerous than a human driver because if they had stats showing otherwise they would have promoted them. Early drivers took risks on the first cars because moving away from horses revolutionized society. People turn on autopilot because they'd prefer to look at their phone instead of drive.
romwell 7y ago
Right, thinking like that is why we have laws against misleading advertising.
cromulent 7y ago
I've told this story here before, but I've had an oncoming Tesla change lanes onto my side of the road and drive right at me. Fortunately there was time and space for me to stop and the Tesla driver to take control again. It could have been very different. Why should I "roll the dice" with me and my family? And no, they weren't overtaking, etc - if you need more details I can provide them.
- cheeko1234 7y ago
  I'd like more details if you're willing.
  - cromulent 7y ago
    Driving down an 80km/h straight back road, single lane each way, with a car and truck following me. The lanes are free of snow but there is old ice/snow packed on the center line and some small drifts of minor snow, so the white lines are obscured in places. Two teenagers in the back of my car. Coming towards me is a Tesla model 3, followed by a Peugeot. The Tesla neatly lane changes into my lane and drives straight at me. Closing speed is around 160km/h. I hit the brakes and brake to a halt. The Tesla driver seems to take control at some point as the car first heads back to his side, but doesn't change back into his lane (maybe due to the Peugeot), then moves across my lane to the narrow shoulder on my side of the road, while braking fairly heavily (as was I). We both reduce speed quickly enough that we aren't going to crash. The vehicles behind me have also done so. As we pull level with him (facing the wrong way on my shoulder) I can't see the driver as I am in an SUV and he is low down, opposite side of the vehicles of course. He has stopped. I continue. The car behind me stops to check on him. The teenagers in my cars saw the whole thing and are exclaiming about it. I guess maybe his car was seeking the white line and couldn't find it in the snow, so it hunted into my side. I don't know though.

FireBeyond 7y ago

> Everyone sees musk as two faced and playing both sides but honestly - if you're an adult paying for a tesla then I'm fine with it being in your hands to decide if you're willing to roll the dice. It also has a chance of killing me, a non-Tesla driver. Where's my informed consent?

billions 7y ago
It comes down to statistics. We deal with road raging, texting, drunk drivers on a daily basis. We know our risks each time we leave the house. Safety is exponentially better than what the past generation had to deal with.
- raisedbyninjas 7y ago
  If the statistics showed that autopilot was safer than humans driving modern luxury sport sedans on the highway, then Elon would be blasting that out. So now drivers have to share the road with level 2 self driving cars sold to lay people as something more.

raisedbyninjas 7y ago

Musk does play both sides. After numerous crashes, Tesla blames the driver for not driving. However it's always a good time to tweet about FSD being just around the corner. Watch the video at https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot. It immediately says the driver is only in the driver's seat for legal reasons. It should say he's there to wrest control from the car whenever it encounters the dozens of edge cases it fails to handle before it accelerates into a concrete barrier. It's probably more dangerous than a human driver because if they had stats showing otherwise they would have promoted them. Early drivers took risks on the first cars because moving away from horses revolutionized society. People turn on autopilot because they'd prefer to look at their phone instead of drive.

romwell 7y ago

Right, thinking like that is why we have laws against misleading advertising.

cromulent 7y ago

I've told this story here before, but I've had an oncoming Tesla change lanes onto my side of the road and drive right at me. Fortunately there was time and space for me to stop and the Tesla driver to take control again. It could have been very different. Why should I "roll the dice" with me and my family? And no, they weren't overtaking, etc - if you need more details I can provide them.

cheeko1234 7y ago
I'd like more details if you're willing.
- cromulent 7y ago
  Driving down an 80km/h straight back road, single lane each way, with a car and truck following me. The lanes are free of snow but there is old ice/snow packed on the center line and some small drifts of minor snow, so the white lines are obscured in places. Two teenagers in the back of my car. Coming towards me is a Tesla model 3, followed by a Peugeot. The Tesla neatly lane changes into my lane and drives straight at me. Closing speed is around 160km/h. I hit the brakes and brake to a halt. The Tesla driver seems to take control at some point as the car first heads back to his side, but doesn't change back into his lane (maybe due to the Peugeot), then moves across my lane to the narrow shoulder on my side of the road, while braking fairly heavily (as was I). We both reduce speed quickly enough that we aren't going to crash. The vehicles behind me have also done so. As we pull level with him (facing the wrong way on my shoulder) I can't see the driver as I am in an SUV and he is low down, opposite side of the vehicles of course. He has stopped. I continue. The car behind me stops to check on him. The teenagers in my cars saw the whole thing and are exclaiming about it. I guess maybe his car was seeking the white line and couldn't find it in the snow, so it hunted into my side. I don't know though.