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I'm really liking this recent uptick in Google/Mozilla/Opera development/rivalry lately. It's good for consumers. If only things happened more quickly...

0xDEEPFAC 7y ago
Really? I generally see the opposite these days with everything moving to chromium (Opera, Chrome, Safari, and even Edge now all use it). Its kind of like a creepy consolidation. I would say though Firefox does remain a strong (if the last) holdout.
- kaycebasques 7y ago
  FF and Safari are both shipping some great stuff that we don't have in Chrome DevTools. Canvas debugger: https://webkit.org/blog/8452/canvas-debugging/ https://webkit.org/blog/8452/canvas-debugging/ Flexbox inspector: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Page_Inspector/How_to/Examine_Flexbox_layouts https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Page_Inspecto... Fonts tab: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Page_Inspector/How_to/Edit_fonts https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Page_Inspecto...
  - kaycebasques 7y ago
    Also: > everything moving to Chromium... [including] Safari This is the opposite of true
  - tty2300 7y ago
    When will safari provide a VM image so developers can actually test things on it?
    - pwdisswordfish2 7y ago
      Why would you need to? Just test things on another WebKit browser, it will work just as well on Safari.
      - javagram 7y ago
        What actively-developed WebKit browsers still exist for Windows? FWIW, the assumption that safari and some random WebKit browser will behave the same seems unsafe to me. The release version of safari will probably be on a newer/older WebKit edition and stuff like tracking protection might behave differently.
  - zachwood 7y ago
    That's got nothing to do with Chromium becoming ubiquitous as far as market share goes. Which is bad for everyone.
    - kaycebasques 7y ago
      Sorry, given that this is a thread about DevTools I thought the conversation was scoped to DevTools. Didn't realize we were talking about browser share at large.
- jpangs88 7y ago
  Safari uses Chromium, how so? I thought they were based on the same engine then they split but that was like 6 years ago. I couldn't find anything on it with a simple search.
  - epse 7y ago
    Yeah WebKit was developed for safari, which chrome forked into blink. Safari still uses WebKit

0xDEEPFAC 7y ago

Really? I generally see the opposite these days with everything moving to chromium (Opera, Chrome, Safari, and even Edge now all use it). Its kind of like a creepy consolidation. I would say though Firefox does remain a strong (if the last) holdout.

kaycebasques 7y ago
FF and Safari are both shipping some great stuff that we don't have in Chrome DevTools. Canvas debugger: https://webkit.org/blog/8452/canvas-debugging/ https://webkit.org/blog/8452/canvas-debugging/ Flexbox inspector: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Page_Inspector/How_to/Examine_Flexbox_layouts https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Page_Inspecto... Fonts tab: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Page_Inspector/How_to/Edit_fonts https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Page_Inspecto...
- kaycebasques 7y ago
  Also: > everything moving to Chromium... [including] Safari This is the opposite of true
- tty2300 7y ago
  When will safari provide a VM image so developers can actually test things on it?
  - pwdisswordfish2 7y ago
    Why would you need to? Just test things on another WebKit browser, it will work just as well on Safari.
    - javagram 7y ago
      What actively-developed WebKit browsers still exist for Windows? FWIW, the assumption that safari and some random WebKit browser will behave the same seems unsafe to me. The release version of safari will probably be on a newer/older WebKit edition and stuff like tracking protection might behave differently.
- zachwood 7y ago
  That's got nothing to do with Chromium becoming ubiquitous as far as market share goes. Which is bad for everyone.
  - kaycebasques 7y ago
    Sorry, given that this is a thread about DevTools I thought the conversation was scoped to DevTools. Didn't realize we were talking about browser share at large.
jpangs88 7y ago
Safari uses Chromium, how so? I thought they were based on the same engine then they split but that was like 6 years ago. I couldn't find anything on it with a simple search.
- epse 7y ago
  Yeah WebKit was developed for safari, which chrome forked into blink. Safari still uses WebKit