It's frustrating that with all this talk of famine, collapse, etc. almost nobody will say "billions of people will die and it could be very very very horrible".

It's frustrating that with all this talk of famine, collapse, etc. almost nobody will say "billions of people will die and it could be very very very horrible". You think you're going to be able to do permaculture on your plot? You'll be fine, until someone with more guns than you takes it from you. This is why, as a bleeding-heart lefty greeny hippie who moved to Europe for largely philosophical reasons, I desperately want the EU to get its act together and build a credible military defence.