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Is it even secretly anymore? It just seems outright discrimination, at this point, as far as admissions is concerned.

paulddraper 7y ago
This score is apparently a secret. > The score would not be reported to the student, only to college officials. They give you a standardized test, but you can't even find out how well you did.
- harryh 7y ago
  You still get the score for how well you did. You don't get your "adversity score" which is not based on how well you did, but only on where you live and what high school you attend.
  - YjSe2GMQ 7y ago
    Which is absurd, considering it's involved in college admission process. Maybe we should also have a hidden citizen score, to be used behind the scenes in the courts of law?
    - NullPrefix 7y ago
      Should adversity points be included in that citizen score?
    - Mirioron 7y ago
      We should call it the social credit score.
    - harryh 7y ago
      The college admission process (especially for more elite schools) already involves lots of secrecy.
      - solveit 7y ago
        And all that secrecy should go burn in a fire. Colleges have more impact than many government institutions, and they certainly take in a lot more government funding than many government institutions. They should be as transparent as government institutions if not more (What's the rationale against? National security?).
    - TFortunato 7y ago
      You mean like this? https://www.propublica.org/article/machine-bias-risk-assessments-in-criminal-sentencing https://www.propublica.org/article/machine-bias-risk-assessm...
    - ceejayoz 7y ago
      > Which is absurd, considering it's involved in college admission process. Your SAT score is just about the only bit of the admission process you have access to. You don't get the admissions officers' opinions on your essay, what they thought of your extracurriculars, how they perceive the reputation of your high school, what their alumni interviewers said, etc. (Chances are you can make a pretty good guess at what the adversity score is going to be, too.)
781 7y ago
According to current thinking it's impossible to discriminate against white/east-asian people.
- verylongname 7y ago
  I'm not sure why this is getting downvoted. The United States has a system of de jure discrimination against white and asian men. Moreover, there is a great deal of de facto discretization against them as well. Many people seem to think that it is "fair" and appropriate for this to be the case, but I don't think its debatable that this is the fact of the matter. I think those who support this policy should defend it honestly instead of lying about it and claiming its not the policy, when it plainly is.
  - marrone12 7y ago
    Ah yes, the system of discrimination that nevertheless has white and asian men disproportionately over-represented in silicon valley, tech companies, and government.
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    - serf 7y ago
      Do you believe that homogeneous distribution is something that occurs anywhere in society?
      - objektif 7y ago
        What do you mean by that?
      - sadris 7y ago
        It occurs in most non-merit based social settings. 95% of all churches are 95% homogeneous. Racial groups self segregate at lunch tables. 85% of millennials don't have a single friend outside their own racial group. In merit based settings like employement, the employer is going to be selecting for IQ so the racial demographic of the employees is irrelevant, only their productivity.

This score is apparently a secret. > The score would not be reported to the student, only to college officials. They give you a standardized test, but you can't even find out how well you did.

harryh 7y ago
You still get the score for how well you did. You don't get your "adversity score" which is not based on how well you did, but only on where you live and what high school you attend.
- YjSe2GMQ 7y ago
  Which is absurd, considering it's involved in college admission process. Maybe we should also have a hidden citizen score, to be used behind the scenes in the courts of law?
  - NullPrefix 7y ago
    Should adversity points be included in that citizen score?
  - Mirioron 7y ago
    We should call it the social credit score.
  - harryh 7y ago
    The college admission process (especially for more elite schools) already involves lots of secrecy.
    - solveit 7y ago
      And all that secrecy should go burn in a fire. Colleges have more impact than many government institutions, and they certainly take in a lot more government funding than many government institutions. They should be as transparent as government institutions if not more (What's the rationale against? National security?).
  - TFortunato 7y ago
    You mean like this? https://www.propublica.org/article/machine-bias-risk-assessments-in-criminal-sentencing https://www.propublica.org/article/machine-bias-risk-assessm...
  - ceejayoz 7y ago
    > Which is absurd, considering it's involved in college admission process. Your SAT score is just about the only bit of the admission process you have access to. You don't get the admissions officers' opinions on your essay, what they thought of your extracurriculars, how they perceive the reputation of your high school, what their alumni interviewers said, etc. (Chances are you can make a pretty good guess at what the adversity score is going to be, too.)

781 7y ago

According to current thinking it's impossible to discriminate against white/east-asian people.

verylongname 7y ago
I'm not sure why this is getting downvoted. The United States has a system of de jure discrimination against white and asian men. Moreover, there is a great deal of de facto discretization against them as well. Many people seem to think that it is "fair" and appropriate for this to be the case, but I don't think its debatable that this is the fact of the matter. I think those who support this policy should defend it honestly instead of lying about it and claiming its not the policy, when it plainly is.
- marrone12 7y ago
  Ah yes, the system of discrimination that nevertheless has white and asian men disproportionately over-represented in silicon valley, tech companies, and government.
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  - serf 7y ago
    Do you believe that homogeneous distribution is something that occurs anywhere in society?
    - objektif 7y ago
      What do you mean by that?
    - sadris 7y ago
      It occurs in most non-merit based social settings. 95% of all churches are 95% homogeneous. Racial groups self segregate at lunch tables. 85% of millennials don't have a single friend outside their own racial group. In merit based settings like employement, the employer is going to be selecting for IQ so the racial demographic of the employees is irrelevant, only their productivity.