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Exactly my thought. This isn't about needs, it's about economic rights. If I can afford two homes and choose to buy them, I'm within my rights to do so. Attemp

Exactly my thought. This isn't about needs, it's about economic rights. If I can afford two homes and choose to buy them, I'm within my rights to do so. Attempting to limit the rights of people isn't going to go very well.

anon1m0us 7y ago
I think access to shelter is a human right. I think access to an empty house is not a human right. If your family sits down for dinner and one person gobbles up all the food before anyone else eats, were they within their rights? Will the rest of the family ever invite that person to dinner again? No. We implement these controls on consumption in all areas of life. "Limit 2" when there's a coupon, for example. "All you can eat" restaurants don't allow take home and sometimes charge you for what you do not actually eat. We must limit the wealthy's ability to consume all the goods so there are goods left over for people who need to live in them. How does this not make sense? Why do you think it's better that someone owns 2 houses leaving 1 without a home, than two families owning 2 homes (one each). Isn't that a better world?
- magduf 7y ago
  No, because there's nothing requiring people to live in the Bay Area. They can live in other, cheaper locales. You do realize there's an entire continent out there, don't you? If lesser-paid people would just leave the area, leaving that area without service workers (or having to pay ridiculous wages for them, driving prices way up for the wealthy homeowners there), the problem will solve itself.
  - anon1m0us 7y ago
    That's not actually what happens though. Ask someone trying to staff a restaurant how easy it is to find employees. Basically the service industry just ... evaporates. I've seen it happen in areas with a lot of foreign ownership.
    - magduf 7y ago
      What are you getting at? Are you saying that restaurants won't pay their staff very high wages to entice them to commute for several hours, and that the restaurant will go out of business? How exactly is this a problem? Too bad for the restaurant owner, but he can re-open in a place where he can hire staff more easily. Why does the Bay Area need restaurants? If the wealthy homeowners there don't want any lowly restaurant staff living around them, then why should they have any restaurants?
- dgzl 7y ago
  > I think access to shelter is a human right. Products and services can't be human rights.
  - qwsxyh 7y ago
    This is truly one of the most Hacker News comments I have ever seen, calling a home a product and service.
    - dgzl 7y ago
      I guess I'm flattered, but you understand the point, right? If you have 'rights' to a product or service (i.e. something that requires another person to work for you in order to satisfy) then you effectively have 'rights' to their labor and goods, also known as slavery.
      - qwsxyh 7y ago
        Not sure why you would be flattered. Hacker News comments are just YouTube comments with right-libertarianism and a thesaurus in the mix.
        dgzl 7y ago
        That's simply not true.

anon1m0us 7y ago

I think access to shelter is a human right. I think access to an empty house is not a human right. If your family sits down for dinner and one person gobbles up all the food before anyone else eats, were they within their rights? Will the rest of the family ever invite that person to dinner again? No. We implement these controls on consumption in all areas of life. "Limit 2" when there's a coupon, for example. "All you can eat" restaurants don't allow take home and sometimes charge you for what you do not actually eat. We must limit the wealthy's ability to consume all the goods so there are goods left over for people who need to live in them. How does this not make sense? Why do you think it's better that someone owns 2 houses leaving 1 without a home, than two families owning 2 homes (one each). Isn't that a better world?

magduf 7y ago
No, because there's nothing requiring people to live in the Bay Area. They can live in other, cheaper locales. You do realize there's an entire continent out there, don't you? If lesser-paid people would just leave the area, leaving that area without service workers (or having to pay ridiculous wages for them, driving prices way up for the wealthy homeowners there), the problem will solve itself.
- anon1m0us 7y ago
  That's not actually what happens though. Ask someone trying to staff a restaurant how easy it is to find employees. Basically the service industry just ... evaporates. I've seen it happen in areas with a lot of foreign ownership.
  - magduf 7y ago
    What are you getting at? Are you saying that restaurants won't pay their staff very high wages to entice them to commute for several hours, and that the restaurant will go out of business? How exactly is this a problem? Too bad for the restaurant owner, but he can re-open in a place where he can hire staff more easily. Why does the Bay Area need restaurants? If the wealthy homeowners there don't want any lowly restaurant staff living around them, then why should they have any restaurants?
dgzl 7y ago
> I think access to shelter is a human right. Products and services can't be human rights.
- qwsxyh 7y ago
  This is truly one of the most Hacker News comments I have ever seen, calling a home a product and service.
  - dgzl 7y ago
    I guess I'm flattered, but you understand the point, right? If you have 'rights' to a product or service (i.e. something that requires another person to work for you in order to satisfy) then you effectively have 'rights' to their labor and goods, also known as slavery.
    - qwsxyh 7y ago
      Not sure why you would be flattered. Hacker News comments are just YouTube comments with right-libertarianism and a thesaurus in the mix.
      - dgzl 7y ago
        That's simply not true.