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And the only solution is to suffer even more. We have to turn down air conditioners, then We have to stop buying air conditioners We have to stop buying new ca

And the only solution is to suffer even more. We have to turn down air conditioners, then We have to stop buying air conditioners We have to stop buying new cars we have to stop buying new phones new tvs new computers We have to learn how to fix things We have to learn how to grow things We have to learn how to kill and eat things We have to wind the clock back and go backwards in our lifestyles to a time when we didn't have cheap oil. We'll ride horses again. Take trains again. That's what the future looks like -- the past.

CalRobert 7y ago
Perhaps I am naive, but in the ways that matter, I don't think it _does_ mean suffering more. Don't live in the middle of Arizona if you don't like heat. Eat less meat - you'll get used to it. Honestly just living in a well-insulated flat a walk or bike ride from most amenities, eating little meat, and using renewably-sourced electricity would get us a long ways there. Our entire society is _designed_ to trap you. You either start life with no educational debt BUT no job prospects, OR you have the prospect of a decent job BUT massive student loans. You are "free" to do what you like, unless you decide you don't want to be in debt for housing (or owe money to a landlord). Homelessness is increasingly illegal and we let homeowners create a housing cartel, so you're forced to buy whether you want or not. A huge part of the value people generate is captured by others, and living a life where you opt out of this is increasingly illegal. Of course, this isn't new. One of the silver linings of the black plague was helping to end feudalism. It was pretty damn brutal though.
- anon1m0us 7y ago
  It's not suffering to some of us. But those of us, like in another thread who feel like we should have the right to own multiple homes and big cars and keep the A/C too high or low -- or at all. Those who want steak every day. Those who want fully automated houses. They are going to suffer more. Lots of them.
- granshaw 7y ago
  Ummm, yeah, how much is that real estate that’s a walk or bike ride from most amenities costing ya?
  - maxerickson 7y ago
    It hinges on how you want to define "most amenities", but lots of small towns have reasonably priced housing within a mile of plenty of amenities (with low or moderate vehicle traffic and so on).
  - CalRobert 7y ago
    It's pretty cheap _if_ you let people build on it! Let me have a 12 story apartment building next to transit instead of insisting every neighborhood stay a leafy suburb FOREVER. Also, you realize we can make more of these, right? It's not like the laws of physics decided it was impossible to build nice neighborhoods ca. 1950. The laws of boomers bitching about their parking welfare (aka free street parking) every time somebody wanted to put in apartments did.

CalRobert 7y ago

Perhaps I am naive, but in the ways that matter, I don't think it _does_ mean suffering more. Don't live in the middle of Arizona if you don't like heat. Eat less meat - you'll get used to it. Honestly just living in a well-insulated flat a walk or bike ride from most amenities, eating little meat, and using renewably-sourced electricity would get us a long ways there. Our entire society is _designed_ to trap you. You either start life with no educational debt BUT no job prospects, OR you have the prospect of a decent job BUT massive student loans. You are "free" to do what you like, unless you decide you don't want to be in debt for housing (or owe money to a landlord). Homelessness is increasingly illegal and we let homeowners create a housing cartel, so you're forced to buy whether you want or not. A huge part of the value people generate is captured by others, and living a life where you opt out of this is increasingly illegal. Of course, this isn't new. One of the silver linings of the black plague was helping to end feudalism. It was pretty damn brutal though.

anon1m0us 7y ago
It's not suffering to some of us. But those of us, like in another thread who feel like we should have the right to own multiple homes and big cars and keep the A/C too high or low -- or at all. Those who want steak every day. Those who want fully automated houses. They are going to suffer more. Lots of them.
granshaw 7y ago
Ummm, yeah, how much is that real estate that’s a walk or bike ride from most amenities costing ya?
- maxerickson 7y ago
  It hinges on how you want to define "most amenities", but lots of small towns have reasonably priced housing within a mile of plenty of amenities (with low or moderate vehicle traffic and so on).
- CalRobert 7y ago
  It's pretty cheap _if_ you let people build on it! Let me have a 12 story apartment building next to transit instead of insisting every neighborhood stay a leafy suburb FOREVER. Also, you realize we can make more of these, right? It's not like the laws of physics decided it was impossible to build nice neighborhoods ca. 1950. The laws of boomers bitching about their parking welfare (aka free street parking) every time somebody wanted to put in apartments did.