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Upzoning helps the homeowners who are upzoned, though I don't know how many of them realize it. Land can be sold at much higher values to developers if it's upz

Upzoning helps the homeowners who are upzoned, though I don't know how many of them realize it. Land can be sold at much higher values to developers if it's upzoned, and so its market rate is generally higher. It's those homeowners whose property isn't upzoned which are left out of the economic benefits.

yholio 7y ago
Upzoning increases the value of the land, but decreases the value of pre-existing built square footage, since it's no longer an exclusivist area. If you have a brand new mansion built to the highest standards on the premise that it will be located in a tranquil neighborhood you might be on the net losing side if an apartment building is approved next door. In any case, you need to tear down your existing home in order to realize any gains, which few people are willing to do.
- clairity 7y ago
  yes, the value of upzoning accrues to land value, not the real property that sits on it, but the rest of your conclusion doesn't follow. when demand outstrips supply adding a different type of supply (like an apartment building) won't depress prices materially (for detached single family residences). they're different market segments. also, you don't need to tear down the home to realize gains, since, as you yourself said, the value accrues to the land, not the building. the price would immediately incorporate that value, without the need to replace the structure atop. if you also want to gain rental income, then yes, you'd need to replace the structure, but that's an investment to unlock a different income stream.
  - gph 7y ago
    >when demand outstrips supply adding a different type of supply (like an apartment building) won't depress prices materially (for detached single family residences). they're different market segments. That's not how the real world works. In the real world, people who want to live in a single family home also want to live in a low density area. No one wants a single family home if there's a bunch of apartment buildings across the street.
    - clairity 7y ago
      in the real world, buying the houses across the street let's you decide what sits there.
      - gph 7y ago
        No it doesn't, that's the whole point of this bill.
- simonebrunozzi 7y ago
  Yes, and to add to this: most landowners don't benefit from upzoning; only a few do. That's why, in general, most of them oppose upzoning.

yholio 7y ago

Upzoning increases the value of the land, but decreases the value of pre-existing built square footage, since it's no longer an exclusivist area. If you have a brand new mansion built to the highest standards on the premise that it will be located in a tranquil neighborhood you might be on the net losing side if an apartment building is approved next door. In any case, you need to tear down your existing home in order to realize any gains, which few people are willing to do.

clairity 7y ago
yes, the value of upzoning accrues to land value, not the real property that sits on it, but the rest of your conclusion doesn't follow. when demand outstrips supply adding a different type of supply (like an apartment building) won't depress prices materially (for detached single family residences). they're different market segments. also, you don't need to tear down the home to realize gains, since, as you yourself said, the value accrues to the land, not the building. the price would immediately incorporate that value, without the need to replace the structure atop. if you also want to gain rental income, then yes, you'd need to replace the structure, but that's an investment to unlock a different income stream.
- gph 7y ago
  >when demand outstrips supply adding a different type of supply (like an apartment building) won't depress prices materially (for detached single family residences). they're different market segments. That's not how the real world works. In the real world, people who want to live in a single family home also want to live in a low density area. No one wants a single family home if there's a bunch of apartment buildings across the street.
  - clairity 7y ago
    in the real world, buying the houses across the street let's you decide what sits there.
    - gph 7y ago
      No it doesn't, that's the whole point of this bill.
simonebrunozzi 7y ago
Yes, and to add to this: most landowners don't benefit from upzoning; only a few do. That's why, in general, most of them oppose upzoning.