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Yeah... this is a CA problem not a US problem. Had a similar amount of money been given to say... ND or MT to build some other structure it would have been done

Yeah... this is a CA problem not a US problem. Had a similar amount of money been given to say... ND or MT to build some other structure it would have been done before the money was ever divided out.

geogra4 7y ago
Not just CA, TX has similar issues with a PRIVATE HSR that the land owners simply won't let be built. https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2019/04/texas-central-railway-high-speed-bullet-train-cost-route/587743/ https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2019/04/texas-central...
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- Circuits 7y ago
  But the CA project wasn't canceled due to land owners protesting its development... so no the issues aren't similar.
  - jonahhorowitz 7y ago
    Au contraire, the biggest issue that HSR faced was landowners fighting it every step of the way. Between fighting eminent domain and fighting with CEQA (California environmental quality act) it's surprising anything got done.
    - Circuits 7y ago
      That was definitely NOT the biggest issue that faced the HSR.
- tomatotomato37 7y ago
  To be honest I would be surprised if any land-intensive project gets completed in the Texas/NMexico/Arizona area; those ranchers are really territoral I mean given all the adversity and polarization in current US culture we still haven't escalated to the armed siege of government buildings, yet those guys have already done that twice this decade over fucking cows
SomeOldThrow 7y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_Access_Pipeline_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_Access_Pipeline_protest...
- Circuits 7y ago
  How is that even remotely the same? If anything that proves my point. Despite massive setbacks that were 100% out of their control the company building that pipeline still got it built in time and under budget...
asdff 7y ago
Could ND or MT allocate 30-100bn in state funds for this? The federal grant was a huge loss but a drop in the bucket for how much this project has derailed due to the use of private contractors instead of public engineering.
- Circuits 7y ago
  I think you missed my point.
kaikai 7y ago
Montana has 1 million people, North Dakota has <800k, while California has almost 40 million people. California problems are US problems.

Yeah... this is a CA problem not a US problem. Had a similar amount of money been given to say... ND or MT to build some other structure it would have been done before the money was ever divided out.

geogra4 7y ago

Not just CA, TX has similar issues with a PRIVATE HSR that the land owners simply won't let be built. https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2019/04/texas-central-railway-high-speed-bullet-train-cost-route/587743/ https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2019/04/texas-central...

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Circuits 7y ago
But the CA project wasn't canceled due to land owners protesting its development... so no the issues aren't similar.
- jonahhorowitz 7y ago
  Au contraire, the biggest issue that HSR faced was landowners fighting it every step of the way. Between fighting eminent domain and fighting with CEQA (California environmental quality act) it's surprising anything got done.
  - Circuits 7y ago
    That was definitely NOT the biggest issue that faced the HSR.
tomatotomato37 7y ago
To be honest I would be surprised if any land-intensive project gets completed in the Texas/NMexico/Arizona area; those ranchers are really territoral I mean given all the adversity and polarization in current US culture we still haven't escalated to the armed siege of government buildings, yet those guys have already done that twice this decade over fucking cows

SomeOldThrow 7y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_Access_Pipeline_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_Access_Pipeline_protest...

Circuits 7y ago
How is that even remotely the same? If anything that proves my point. Despite massive setbacks that were 100% out of their control the company building that pipeline still got it built in time and under budget...

asdff 7y ago

Could ND or MT allocate 30-100bn in state funds for this? The federal grant was a huge loss but a drop in the bucket for how much this project has derailed due to the use of private contractors instead of public engineering.

Circuits 7y ago
I think you missed my point.

kaikai 7y ago

Montana has 1 million people, North Dakota has <800k, while California has almost 40 million people. California problems are US problems.