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==They know this perfectly well. The US has a tremendous leverage in this negotiation.== You are leaving out how Donald Trump wants to be re-elected in 18 mont

==They know this perfectly well. The US has a tremendous leverage in this negotiation.== You are leaving out how Donald Trump wants to be re-elected in 18 months and Xi has no such pressures. ==China's main sticking point is they want to remove this leverage and make the deal unenforceable. Yeah, that might have worked with Obama (who was, IMO, too eager to please), but the current administration knows better than to sign something like that.== Like that "deal" we signed with North Korea? I think you are giving the administration a little too much credit as they have engaged the same types of tactics with our allies (Canada, Mexico and the EU) who are not in the same position as China.

m0zg 7y ago
Which "deal" have we "signed" with North Korea? As far as I'm aware that negotiation is very far from over, although positive movement is evident (for which South Korean government gives credit directly to Trump: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-southkorea-trump/south-korea-president-says-trump-deserves-nobel-peace-prize-idUSKBN1I10OD https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-southkorea-tru...). There haven't been any nuclear weapons tests either. Do you think the Koreas can be reunited in a year after being separate for 50? Nobody has ever gotten anywhere near as far as Trump in all of this. Give credit where credit is due.
- moorhosj 7y ago
  ==Which "deal" have we "signed" with North Korea? As far as I'm aware that negotiation is very far from over,== We haven't signed a deal, that was something Trump promised at the second summit, but never delivered. Meanwhile, after the first summit on June 13, 2018, Trump said, “There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea.” [1] Was that ever true? ==although positive movement is evident== Just last week, "North Korea fires two rounds of missiles, 2nd launch in a week, South Korea says" [2]. ==Give credit where credit is due.== What has North Korea signed or taken concrete actions on? [1] https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-trumps-premature-victory-celebration-became-kims-triumph-2019-02-25 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-trumps-premature-victo... [2] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-korea-fires-unidentified-projectile-south-korean-military-official-says-n1003626 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-korea-fires-unident...
  - m0zg 7y ago
    He didn't like the deal. He walked away. That's how you negotiate. >> North Korea fires two rounds of missiles So they're getting ready to negotiate again then. That's good. Still: no nuclear testing.
    - moorhosj 7y ago
      ==He walked away. That's how you negotiate.== You negotiate by giving them what they want (ending war game activities with South Korea [1]) and receiving nothing concrete in return? Seems like a questionable tactic? Also, just to clarify, did you support the Iran agreement? ==So they're getting ready to negotiate again then. That's good.== Are you honestly arguing that North Korea launching missiles is a good sign? == Still: no nuclear testing== Not according to satellite images. "The satellite images suggest that the North has been engaged in a great deception: It has offered to dismantle a major launching site — a step it began, then halted — while continuing to make improvements at more than a dozen others that would bolster launches of conventional and nuclear warheads. But American intelligence officials say that the North’s production of nuclear material, of new nuclear weapons and of missiles that can be placed on mobile launchers and hidden in mountains at the secret bases has continued. And the sanctions are collapsing, in part because North Korea has leveraged its new, softer-sounding relationship with Washington, and its stated commitment to eventual denuclearization, to resume trade with Russia and China."[2] [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47431309 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47431309 [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/12/us/politics/north-korea-missile-bases.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/12/us/politics/north-korea-m...

m0zg 7y ago

Which "deal" have we "signed" with North Korea? As far as I'm aware that negotiation is very far from over, although positive movement is evident (for which South Korean government gives credit directly to Trump: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-southkorea-trump/south-korea-president-says-trump-deserves-nobel-peace-prize-idUSKBN1I10OD https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-southkorea-tru...). There haven't been any nuclear weapons tests either. Do you think the Koreas can be reunited in a year after being separate for 50? Nobody has ever gotten anywhere near as far as Trump in all of this. Give credit where credit is due.

moorhosj 7y ago
==Which "deal" have we "signed" with North Korea? As far as I'm aware that negotiation is very far from over,== We haven't signed a deal, that was something Trump promised at the second summit, but never delivered. Meanwhile, after the first summit on June 13, 2018, Trump said, “There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea.” [1] Was that ever true? ==although positive movement is evident== Just last week, "North Korea fires two rounds of missiles, 2nd launch in a week, South Korea says" [2]. ==Give credit where credit is due.== What has North Korea signed or taken concrete actions on? [1] https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-trumps-premature-victory-celebration-became-kims-triumph-2019-02-25 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-trumps-premature-victo... [2] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-korea-fires-unidentified-projectile-south-korean-military-official-says-n1003626 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-korea-fires-unident...
- m0zg 7y ago
  He didn't like the deal. He walked away. That's how you negotiate. >> North Korea fires two rounds of missiles So they're getting ready to negotiate again then. That's good. Still: no nuclear testing.
  - moorhosj 7y ago
    ==He walked away. That's how you negotiate.== You negotiate by giving them what they want (ending war game activities with South Korea [1]) and receiving nothing concrete in return? Seems like a questionable tactic? Also, just to clarify, did you support the Iran agreement? ==So they're getting ready to negotiate again then. That's good.== Are you honestly arguing that North Korea launching missiles is a good sign? == Still: no nuclear testing== Not according to satellite images. "The satellite images suggest that the North has been engaged in a great deception: It has offered to dismantle a major launching site — a step it began, then halted — while continuing to make improvements at more than a dozen others that would bolster launches of conventional and nuclear warheads. But American intelligence officials say that the North’s production of nuclear material, of new nuclear weapons and of missiles that can be placed on mobile launchers and hidden in mountains at the secret bases has continued. And the sanctions are collapsing, in part because North Korea has leveraged its new, softer-sounding relationship with Washington, and its stated commitment to eventual denuclearization, to resume trade with Russia and China."[2] [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47431309 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47431309 [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/12/us/politics/north-korea-missile-bases.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/12/us/politics/north-korea-m...