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Your point being?

lifty 7y ago
It would have been nice if btrfs would be discussed, since it's supposed to be the next generation filesystem for Linux.
- jstimpfle 7y ago
  since... 10 years soon?
est31 7y ago
Neither btrfs or the newer bcachefs being on that page is kinda sad as Linux is supposed to be the #1 operating system / kernel and Apple has deployed a next-gen file system by default but in the Linux world nothing seems to be happening beyond some people who still believe that btrfs has a future and one guy who is implementing bcachefs and has to beg for money on patreon because apparently no company wants to hire him to work on it. In many ways ext4 is "good enough" but there are sweed juicy advantages of copy on write, checksummed file systems. I guess all of the enthusiasts are using ZFS which is a work of art but it has licensing problems AND IP is owned by a law firm with some engineers attached that was kickstarted by the CIA.
- koverstreet 7y ago
  I felt like I had too much going on at the time when conference proposals were going out to attend, so that's why bcachefs isn't mentioned. But that's not for lack of progress; upstreaming is actually getting really close.
  - est31 7y ago
    Wow, that's amazing. Looking forward to it!
- 99052882514569 7y ago
  I don't think ZoL[1], a based on a ground-up re-implementation of ZFS, has those licensing/IP issues. We've been using it in production problem free for a year now (on Ubuntu 18). [1] https://zfsonlinux.org/ https://zfsonlinux.org/
  - justinsaccount 7y ago
    > ZoL[1], a based on a ground-up re-implementation of ZFS ZFS on linux is not a re-implementation of ZFS
  - yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
    ZoL is a port, not a reimplementation at all, and retains all of the licensing problems. Ubuntu ships it because they have a different reading of the licensing situation than many involved parties.
- asveikau 7y ago
  > IP is owned by a law firm with some engineers attached that was kickstarted by the CIA. I use ZFS and know a bit of the history, but it took me a while to realize that meant "Oracle". I didn't realize CIA was their first customer (something I found while googling just now) but I suppose that's not too surprising. Although to be fair I am not sure having CIA as a client in 1977 means much for ZFS.
- m4rtink 7y ago
  A lot is happening arround XFS, LVM, device mapper and also the Stratis project. Also a thin LV with XFS will give you many if not most of the benefits of BTRFs/ZFS but with stability and being available on any reasonably old Linux distro.

Your point being?

It would have been nice if btrfs would be discussed, since it's supposed to be the next generation filesystem for Linux.

jstimpfle 7y ago
since... 10 years soon?

est31 7y ago

Neither btrfs or the newer bcachefs being on that page is kinda sad as Linux is supposed to be the #1 operating system / kernel and Apple has deployed a next-gen file system by default but in the Linux world nothing seems to be happening beyond some people who still believe that btrfs has a future and one guy who is implementing bcachefs and has to beg for money on patreon because apparently no company wants to hire him to work on it. In many ways ext4 is "good enough" but there are sweed juicy advantages of copy on write, checksummed file systems. I guess all of the enthusiasts are using ZFS which is a work of art but it has licensing problems AND IP is owned by a law firm with some engineers attached that was kickstarted by the CIA.

koverstreet 7y ago
I felt like I had too much going on at the time when conference proposals were going out to attend, so that's why bcachefs isn't mentioned. But that's not for lack of progress; upstreaming is actually getting really close.
- est31 7y ago
  Wow, that's amazing. Looking forward to it!
99052882514569 7y ago
I don't think ZoL[1], a based on a ground-up re-implementation of ZFS, has those licensing/IP issues. We've been using it in production problem free for a year now (on Ubuntu 18). [1] https://zfsonlinux.org/ https://zfsonlinux.org/
- justinsaccount 7y ago
  > ZoL[1], a based on a ground-up re-implementation of ZFS ZFS on linux is not a re-implementation of ZFS
- yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
  ZoL is a port, not a reimplementation at all, and retains all of the licensing problems. Ubuntu ships it because they have a different reading of the licensing situation than many involved parties.
asveikau 7y ago
> IP is owned by a law firm with some engineers attached that was kickstarted by the CIA. I use ZFS and know a bit of the history, but it took me a while to realize that meant "Oracle". I didn't realize CIA was their first customer (something I found while googling just now) but I suppose that's not too surprising. Although to be fair I am not sure having CIA as a client in 1977 means much for ZFS.
m4rtink 7y ago
A lot is happening arround XFS, LVM, device mapper and also the Stratis project. Also a thin LV with XFS will give you many if not most of the benefits of BTRFs/ZFS but with stability and being available on any reasonably old Linux distro.