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> And nice as it would be to pay all 300 employees $100K/year, that would immediately bankrupt the store I don't think everyone necessarily expects $100k/emplo

> And nice as it would be to pay all 300 employees $100K/year, that would immediately bankrupt the store I don't think everyone necessarily expects $100k/employee. But many (most?) of them work for 30-35 hours per week - not out of choice, but because their schedule is controlled by the management. And they've generally been paid at or under $10/h. In the last few years there's been moves to increase that, but even moving from full time (which not everyone gets) at $10/hr to, say, $14/hr... That's $28k? Loaded cost with taxes and stuff might be ... $35k? $40k? Maybe? That's still a far cry from "we can't afford to pay everyone $100k". Sure, you can't, but that doesn't explicitly justify paying most people $9/h part time when they want full time (and the store has a need for full time staff, they just don't want to have to provide X benefits that come with full time).

AnthonyMouse 7y ago
> In the last few years there's been moves to increase that, but even moving from full time (which not everyone gets) at $10/hr to, say, $14/hr... That's $28k? Loaded cost with taxes and stuff might be ... $35k? $40k? Maybe? That's still a far cry from "we can't afford to pay everyone $100k". Sure, but that's the point. Should the manager not get $100K just because there is no way the employees could? What if that's what it takes to get a good manager? And even at the numbers you're suggesting, multiplied by hundreds of employees, turns into millions of dollars a year. That's more than the store's entire profit. And it's also still above the threshold where it becomes profitable to automate many of those jobs. > Sure, you can't, but that doesn't explicitly justify paying most people $9/h part time when they want full time (and the store has a need for full time staff, they just don't want to have to provide X benefits that come with full time). But whose fault is that? Employers generally shouldn't provide any "benefits" -- they originally came about as a tax dodge at a time when non-monetary benefits weren't considered taxable income to the employee, and that's still the primary reason they exist. Company cars disappeared when they became taxable income, employer-provided health insurance didn't because it's still a tax deduction. But in every case the employees would be better off with the equivalent in cash and the only reason they don't have it is dumb laws. It's even worse for low income employees because the rules keep trying to "help them" by giving employers huge incentives to cut their hours.

AnthonyMouse 7y ago

> In the last few years there's been moves to increase that, but even moving from full time (which not everyone gets) at $10/hr to, say, $14/hr... That's $28k? Loaded cost with taxes and stuff might be ... $35k? $40k? Maybe? That's still a far cry from "we can't afford to pay everyone $100k". Sure, but that's the point. Should the manager not get $100K just because there is no way the employees could? What if that's what it takes to get a good manager? And even at the numbers you're suggesting, multiplied by hundreds of employees, turns into millions of dollars a year. That's more than the store's entire profit. And it's also still above the threshold where it becomes profitable to automate many of those jobs. > Sure, you can't, but that doesn't explicitly justify paying most people $9/h part time when they want full time (and the store has a need for full time staff, they just don't want to have to provide X benefits that come with full time). But whose fault is that? Employers generally shouldn't provide any "benefits" -- they originally came about as a tax dodge at a time when non-monetary benefits weren't considered taxable income to the employee, and that's still the primary reason they exist. Company cars disappeared when they became taxable income, employer-provided health insurance didn't because it's still a tax deduction. But in every case the employees would be better off with the equivalent in cash and the only reason they don't have it is dumb laws. It's even worse for low income employees because the rules keep trying to "help them" by giving employers huge incentives to cut their hours.